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Photo credentials for sale
Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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New England | | USA | Posted: 10:57 PM on 11.26.05 |
->> ....The Stanford SID photog uses a Sigma 70-200f2.8 on a monopod?
OK, seriously, I think the practice of selling credentials is horrible. This situation just sets a bad practice in motion. |
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Rainier Ehrhardt, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 10:57 PM on 11.26.05 |
->> WOW. That's a new low.
But did anyone notice the winning bidder's ID? "azbigkahuna", coincidence or did our fearless leader take one for the team? |
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Michael R. Sisak, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Commack | NY | USA | Posted: 11:04 PM on 11.26.05 |
| ->> Interesting way to raise funds for the University, but it is low. They have enough money to build a new Stanford Stadium in 9 months, they should have enough not to stoop to these methods. Furthermore, doesn't this just clutter the sidelines more than they have to be? |
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Jeff Barrie, Photographer
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Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 11:15 PM on 11.26.05 |
->> I have been saying this for a couple of years now. Sooner or later credentials will be available for a price and to whoever has a digital camera. Heck think about it, there are enough people shooting in motorsports alone who do it for the thrill of being there. Now if XYZ has the ability to get credentials from ABCD, what is to stop them from saying "ok folks, this isn't like last year. If you want the credential it will cost you $75. We still get first look at everything you shoot and can use anything we want without any further compensation."
Just imagine how many "photographers" will jump at the chance to shoot a NASCAR race, and for only $75!!!! |
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Keith McArthur, Photographer
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Beale AFB | CA | USA | Posted: 11:24 PM on 11.26.05 |
| ->> I can't convince myself this is a big deal. I want to meet the one person who's losing their credentials for that game. Chances are, the winner of this auction will replace one of the many "friend of someone" who dont belong there anyway. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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New England | | USA | Posted: 11:36 PM on 11.26.05 |
->> Keith
Have you ever head a guy with an Olympus P&S jump in front of you when your knee is on the line two feet back from the "G" as a player dives into the end zone?
Frame 1-2-3 are of the player getting airborne, fromes 4-through-8 are of this persons ass as they walk off smiling that they were so close they couldn't even get the player in their frame?
Let me tell you what that is like, IT SUCKS. The idea of non-media or officials being on the line just makes everyone's job harder.
While I have not shot sports this season due to a shift in job (jobs, not careers or professions) I have been there, as have many other members of SS.com and it reallt gets under my skin. My shots keep food in my kids stomachs, a roof over my wife's head, and insurance cards in our wallets and non-media people and officials on the side lines makes it very hard to work. |
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Andy Mead, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:41 PM on 11.26.05 |
| ->> I hope Stanford didn't hurt the collegiate eligibility of the players in the photos used for that auction. |
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Andrew Wheeler, Photographer
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Capitola | CA | USA | Posted: 11:59 PM on 11.26.05 |
->> The next step is "we like your image, can we use it, we'll give you a photo credit in our rag/mag..."
Very bad IMV
Andrew :) |
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Jaime R. Carrero, Photo Editor, Photographer
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San Antonio | TX | USA | Posted: 12:20 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> Ludicrous,bad for the profession,sleazy,greed ladden, and we are guilty of encouraging this type of behavior if we "bite".
Question: Do you want to make a living as a photojournalist? Then by all means resist going for this kind of BS. Only wannabe's and amateurs agree to working under terms like these. |
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 12:34 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> "35mm to 400mm lenses recommended."
I wonder if they have aperture and shutter speed recommendations also, because whoever buys that credential is going to need it. The "winner's" last three auction purchases were all Michelin Man bobble heads. |
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 12:37 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> And I just noticed the winning bidder's name is "azbigkahuna."
Bert, is there something you're not telling us? |
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Rainier Ehrhardt, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 12:42 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> "The "winner's" last three auction purchases were all Michelin Man bobble heads."
So fitting...
Steven F. makes a good point, as always, that when all is said and done, we take pictures to feed our families and to keep our homes. You don't see some yahoo interrupt a board meeting of execs for the 'thrill' of it, do you?
We are lucky to have the jobs we do have, and we are also unlucky that everyone else wants a taste of it, without working for it. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 12:44 AM on 11.27.05 |
| ->> I have no problem with one pass. In fact, I think it's kinda cool. But at the Texas-OU game, some radio station (I think it was) used to have a contest that gave away a whole bunch of sideline passes to lucky winners. No cameras, just a bunch of non-essential bodies taking up valuable space, yelling in your ear constantly. Man, what a friggin' mess that was. |
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David Bailey, Photographer
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Dallas / Fort Worth | TX | USA | Posted: 1:00 AM on 11.27.05 |
| ->> I'm not so upset about this as its only 1 space, I'm more concerned about all the people with photo credentials I see on so many NCAA sidelines that have p&s cameras or a Rebel or D50 with kit lenses. These people obviously aren't shooting as a job and get in the way of us that do. Today at the UNT vs. Arkansas State game I continually had a guy walk in front of me carrying his Rebel. Sheesh! If they are going to be on the sidelines they should at least use some common sense. How much common sense does it take to know you shouldn't walk in front of a photographer at a game? |
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Mark J. Rebilas, Photographer
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 1:24 AM on 11.27.05 |
| ->> I wouldn't be suprised if whoever won this "photo pass" was a SS member. If not yet its just gonna be a matter of time before somebody sponsors them. |
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Gabriel Hernandez, Photographer
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Harlingen | TX | USA | Posted: 2:14 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> $2,425.00 for the photo credential WOW. Is this a new way to buy photo gear?? :P Lets see I can use a new nikon 80-200mm 2.8 or maybe the new D200 and still have some money left over to take Mark to Chilis :P
gabe |
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Nick Mantzel, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ventura | CA | USA | Posted: 2:40 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> One thing to point out though is that the pass was strictly so that the photographer could take images for personal use and could not sell the images. Obviously this credential is not intended for use by publication, but merely to be used as a fundraiser for the student athletes. The winning "photographer" will also be accompanying the team photographer who will hopefully teach them some sideline manners. Only one credential was up for auction and the final sell price was $2425.00. At that price I think the guy should have the right to stand on the sidelines wearing a pink tutu if he pleases.
A agree with David in that there is more need to be concerned with all the other people on the sidelines that find a way to get sideline passes and yet serve no purpose and can't seem to keep out of the way.
The bottom line is that this is the promotion of a fundraiser and the winning bid was most likely cast by an alum who has gone on to make enough money that throwing down 2k won't put too big of a hole in his pocketbook.
Maybe he is using this auction as a tax write off. Maybe if you make good friends with him he'll take you for a ride in his Lamborghini or invite you out to the lake house for cocktails. |
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Nic Hume, Photographer
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Victoria | BC | Canada | Posted: 4:38 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> Mark,
Perhaps we can auction of SS.com sponsorships as well ? ?
I bet $2,425 would help the site quite a bit, AND they'd get full "member priveleges" but would only be allowed to log on and post to the message board under the supervision of a sportsshooter official. Any posts they make could only be for "personal use" (No asking questions about business stuff). They WOULD however get the thrill of posting to a REAL professionals website, and would be able to "grab a meal" while waiting for others to respond to their post.
--Nic |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 6:10 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> For those people here who believe this is no big deal- what the hell are you thinking?
It's a very big deal. It continues to get more difficult to retain working credentials in many areas of our work and to maintain our rights. Our access is dwindling everyday. Our rights are eroding, little by little, a photographer here, a photographer there is losing his or her job, replaced by a point and shoot camera or a website that invites amateurs to send in their photos for publication.
Sure it's one space, one photographer, one school demanding removal of images from this and other websites, because they want complete control.
But folks, the one here and the one there has added up to a major problem for us all and is making our lives extremely difficult. What is it going to take before some of you stand up and scream, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH? |
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Pete Lorence, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Loughborough | Leicestershire | UK | Posted: 6:31 AM on 11.27.05 |
| ->> That's amazing! I find it ludicrous that they'd do that to the working pros they no doubt rely upon. I hate it when you get joe amateur on his P&S who complains that you obstructed his shot, something that's happened on many occasions at gigs and bike races! |
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Sean Stevens, Photographer
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Marble Falls | TX | | Posted: 9:24 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> The email used in the auction, @collegesports.com doesn't seem to be a Standford email address. If you go to http://www.collegesports.com it redirects you to this site:
http://www.cstv.com/ which also doesn't seem to be affliated with Standford U. I wonder how legit the auction actually was. |
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Joe Andras, Photographer
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Orange County | CA | USA | Posted: 10:16 AM on 11.27.05 |
->> Sean,
CollegeSports, in its own words, is a "digital sports media" company.
Stanford, like many universities, runs its "official athletic site" via CollegeSports' template-based system:
http://gostanford.collegesports.com/ |
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Assistant
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Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:21 PM on 11.27.05 |
->> Right on Jeff !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Un-f%$@*ing believable |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:36 PM on 11.27.05 |
| ->> Pete ... Worse yet, can you imagine this character with a P&S or a digital rebel bringing over security to force you to move, because he paid all this money to shoot from the sidelines? |
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Kyle Nosal, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 2:56 PM on 11.27.05 |
->> As a student photographer, I realize I am considered by some to be a waste of sideline space as well. But i was wondering how much untapped influence do SID photographers have in terms of who gets credentials? I know they don't decide who does and doesn't get a pass, but I wonder, since they do work closely with the SID, if explaining this problem to the SID, and what it is doing to the profession, if it would help.
Maybe, maybe not. But i know, especially at OU home games, the sidelines are packed with people just standing there, watching the games.
Just my 2 cents. |
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Steevens Alconcel, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:36 PM on 11.27.05 |
->> Kyle, I feel the same way on the sidelines, which is why I tend to stay in areas where there are fewer pros around (i.e. NOT the endzones). I suppose that since I am shooting for a purpose, the school paper that I should not feel this much like I am a burden.
This credential deal is disturbing though...I already have enough problems from people with sideline passes standing behind me and knocking me in the back when I am trying to get the shot. Having an extra body on the photo line would definitely make it worse. |
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Ted Mase, Photographer
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Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 3:55 PM on 11.27.05 |
| ->> With more then 23 years of pro shooting, I've never heard of such a load of $#@!*. If you let them get away with this once, then it's going to be done all the time. Of course getting all media to join together and boycott any coverage at Stanford would never happen. It's bad enough that there are so many people at these events who DON'T BELONG, that now you'll have the highest bidder and his ego on the sidelines with you. Nothing a monopod to the nads wouldn't take care of. Hey what's next, bid to play QB for a game? |
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nicholas benner, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Muncie | In | US | Posted: 4:48 PM on 11.27.05 |
->> I DO see the inherent problems with the auctioning of credentials to the highest bidder, but I take some consolation in the fact that the quality of the images that are going to come out of some P&S photographer who won the auction, is not going to match that of a qualified professional.
I can't see any professional photogs, including everyone on this site, bidding on credentials. The people left to bid on the passes are the ones who don't have the skills to get the job in the first place. The need for good storytelling action shots is not going to diminish. It is just up to the professionals to keep their integrity and not participate in the auctioning of credentials.
just my uncharacteristically positive perspective,
nic |
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Keith McArthur, Photographer
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Beale AFB | CA | USA | Posted: 8:23 PM on 11.27.05 |
->> This is the school's auction. The only people who have a right to shoot there are the people they allow. If they are stripping someone elses credentials or infringing on our personal space resulting in my poor performance they are telling me they don't care enough. The general public's standards for photography are far lower than ours.
There may be a day when they could care less about paying for something they can do themselves half as well. Many photographers have already seen that day. My Base newspaper has its writers shoot all the photos and only uses the base photographers (who do a hugely better job) when they are overwhelmed. They admit that they and the readers dont care enough about good photos to spend the extra 30seconds calling us to cover a story.
Professional/Collegiate sport is not like hard journalism. It is the entertainment industry. Being on the sidelines is not dislike being along side the red carpet. "Man is an animal caught in a web of significance that he himself has spun" Let's all take a second to be gracious people like to watch sports and we are lucky enough to have an oppurtunity to feed our children by making pictures.
This auction was terribly petty and i find comments suggesting a "monopod to the nads" hardly appropriate assuming the winner has "nads" to begin with. |
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Craig Peterson, Photographer
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St. Petersburg | FL | US | Posted: 10:05 AM on 11.28.05 |
->> I don't see why some are acting surprised. Anyone that has covered events for any length of time should have seen this coming. Get used to it people, it's only going to get worse....Hobbyists with pro equipment (or otherwise) will be coming out of the woodwork to have the "experience" of covering an event. They'll pay for the "experience" and then give away their photos to see their name in print, to complete the "experience".
And why not? Sports photography is fun, and lots of people want to do it. The NFL, NBA, NASCAR, etc. would all make a TON of money by offering this "experience" to those that had the money. They could even offer equipment to rent, and have a class on how to use it. It's only a matter of time before one of the organizations starts making money at it, then the rest will soon follow suit. |
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Tim Tadder, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 10:56 AM on 11.28.05 |
| ->> thats it, i am moving out of this genre, we have reached a new low, its over folks, its been fun.... |
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N. Scott Trimble, Photographer
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Tempe | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 11.28.05 |
->> Nicolas,
Sooner or later, these auction winners WILL get a half assed shot and publications and image buyers will learn to settle for "not as good, but it'll work" and cheapen us and mug us even more.
Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice, shame on me.
Let it happen once without a fight, and it will become STANDARD down the road... |
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Will Lester, Photographer
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Ontario | CA | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 11.28.05 |
->> As we all know $$$ is the bottom line with everything!!!
Secondly, as much as I look forward to shooting USC/UCLA this coming weekend, I dread the fact that USC is probably one of the worst schools in the country in terms of allowing to many yahoo's on the sidelines. I can't count the number of times these yahoos have stepped in front of myself and other photogs on the sidelines. Recently I begun approaching these people and asking them where they work so on Monday morning I can go into their office and tromp across their work desk. They seem to get the message after that. |
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Rich Obrey, Photographer
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Gorham | ME | USA | Posted: 1:49 PM on 11.28.05 |
->> Several NFL teams offered a similar auction through ebay last season. It was possible to bid on an "NFL experience" that made you a sideline photographer for the Patriots at Dolphins game last season, as well as two others that I can't recall.
The winner was under the supervision of the team's official photographer.
I haven't seen this item up for bid this season, however.
It was a fundraiser for NFL charities or some other good cause, if I remember correctly. |
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James Nix, Photographer
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Brunswick | GA | USA | Posted: 1:50 PM on 11.28.05 |
->> It is a bit unsettling that this kind of thing could become routine, but knowing that someone out there is paying that kind of money for a chance to do what most of us at SS get paid to do is kind of neat. We do have a cool job and a lot of people (who may make more money than us) envy the fact that we get in free to everything and have sideline access.
Maybe if a few folks get a taste of what we do and realize that we're not just guys with big cameras, they might realize why they need us.
There's my 'glass is half full' statement for the day.
James |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 3:49 PM on 11.28.05 |
->> Craig Peterson's post recieved an "Inappropriate" mark, so evidently someone would rather hide from the fact that universities want to make money from their products. That being said, I may be in for some "Inappropriate" marks of my own with this post :)
We rant and rave constantly about copyright, intelectual property, and increasing our profits and then we cry "foul" when a university decides to make more money by letting one more person on their field in their stadium for their game. What part of ownership, product distribution, and profitability are WE failing to grasp here? We sure seem to understand it pretty well when it suits our purposes.
While we are covering their game on their field in their stadium, we feel entitled to free access to the stadium, free lunch, and free wireless internet and THEN we feel slighted when non photographers have similar access to the field. We go on and on about how important we are, but the fact of the matter is if we DID decide to boycott a game I am willing to bet any ammount of money that the game would be played in spite of our absence and that not ONE ticket holder to that game would demand a refund because WE were not there.
As far as general economic trends are concerned, Merck just closed five plants and laid off 7,000 people and General Motors recently eliminated 30,000 jobs. There is a pattern emerging here, folks, and it is NOT a trend of people wanting to spend more money to get the same product or service.
How are we any different when it comes to looking for a lower price? We have gotten upset when photo buyers pass us up for someone less expensive, and then we buy a set of rechargeable batteries at Wal-Mart for 1/4 the price it would cost at the camera shop. It is ok for US to go price shopping, but it is NOT ok for our clients to do the same?
Many threads have we had on the message board about "great source for cheap CF cards" or other ways to decrease expenses, increase profits, or both? Yet, when the organizations with whom we do business look for ways to decrease expenses or increase their profit they are "trying to ruin the industry" and have thus created a situation against which we should all "take a stand and do something." The "bargain hunter" mentality which has taken over our society should lead us to expect a decrease in the expensive perks and an increase in frustrating inconveniences.
There is no reason at all why the universities couldn't simply lock out all of the photographers and use their own SID photographers as an "in house wire service." In many ways, we are FORTUNATE that they have not already done this. Some of these organizations would produce high quality work, and others would not. However, quality is NOT always the first consideration when making a purchasing decision.
Think of how much less cluttered the sidelines would be if there were only three or four university photographers and no other shooters. I'm a freelancer, so this would put an end to me covering the games and thus the "crowded sidelines" argument cuts both ways.
This industry is changing, the industries we interact with are changing, and if photographers are not adaptable they will be eaten by the Darwinian Photo Beast :) |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:54 AM on 11.29.05 |
->> I won't leave an inappropriate mark on your post Michael, because I've always felt the rating system stinks. Besides, it's how you feel and you're entitled to it.
What do you mean, "if photographers are not adaptable they will be eaten by the Darwinian Photo Beast."
Darwin just picked up a prescription for Pepcid AC - at Wal Mart, no less.
Those of us who are newspaper photographers, are covering their game, in their stadium, using their WiFi, eating their ham sandwiches, drinking their soft drinks, at the majority of venues, taxpayer supported, whilst using our equipment on our time while we publicize high school, university and professional sporting events at our cost with no payment for newsprint, ink, payroll for the pressman, prepress, writers or photographers.
In other words, the trade off for access, a wireless connection and a ham sandwich is not a bad deal for them considering the inches given for a major sporting event that could be sold as advertising, but is not.
But really, all of these matters cut both ways. The problem is these sporting venues are raising their ticket prices, placing advertising banners on the field, selling credentials on ebay while those of us, including yourself, are trying to make a living snapping a few photos that might be sold to a wire service or published in the local newspaper and not seeing a dime more for the effort.
Yeah, we all have the right to complain. |
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor
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San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:36 PM on 11.29.05 |
->> While I enjoy being part of a privileged few, we don't own these events. The rules are up to the organizers. Certainly we have the right to complain, but the fact is that even if every professional photographer boycotted a sports event, publications would still be able to fill their photo holes with "good enough" images shot by hordes of willing amateurs for the price of a photo credit.
These days, we have little standing to support any sort of complaint.
--Mark |
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Gary Vasquez, Photographer
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Covina | CA | USA | Posted: 3:12 PM on 12.04.05 |
->> It's ridiculous that Stanford sold the credential and had some ordinary joe w/ his p/s I am assuming given this "opportunity." It's really sad because it ruins the spirit of the hardworking photojournalists whom have worked for years to get to where they're at. Plus, it's even more ridiculous that just about anyone can be let on the sideline to watch a game so they can brag and boast to their friends "I was there".
A fellow ss.com member and I shot some playoff football last night. The sideline was just ridculously packed with people who really shouldn't have been there. Alumni, school admins, random people, it was just dumb, and at times annoying. The worst part would be people tryin to chimp off our cameras, and even worse was people askin us technical questions.
I admit, before getting into the photojournalism, I was "Yea thats cool you can buy a pass to go on field and take pictures." Now that I have gotten older, my focus on this has changed and it;s just ridicuouls that anyone can buy a credential and do this. I hope this trend will cease to exist. |
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Keith McArthur, Photographer
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Beale AFB | CA | USA | Posted: 4:49 PM on 12.04.05 |
->> Yeah, I gotta agree with Gary here. I'm sick and tired of school officials thinking they have some right to be on the sidelines of our games. I mean, it's not as though they work with the students and coaches everyday, is it? And if there's one thing I really hate, it's people who think its absolutely normal to approach a stranger with a question. And god forbid he was unwilling to spend less than several thousand dollars to make photos at football game.
:) |
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
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Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 5:04 PM on 12.04.05 |
->> Hey for 2,500 bucks he could have had my credentials for yesterdays army Navy Game in Phila. He would have had the thrill of leaving my in-laws house at 8:30am, battling traffic for an hour getting to the stadium. Shooting tailgaters at 9:30am, but only ones from the Annapolis, MD area. Making his way to the stadium with all my gear, getting searched by security and entering the stadium at around 10:30am.
The excitement would have continued as he would have been told that the photoroom would be closed til 11, make his way to the pressbox, move 6 pregame tailgate pics. The good time would proceed with his lugging all his gear back down the the photoroom, making his way to the field, shooting the first half, then move more pics of the march on and 1st half. Shoot the second half and after game stuff, moving the rest of the images and packing up. This is at about 7pm.
To top off his exciting day as a pro sportshooter he can lug all his stuff back to the car, battle more traffic just getting out of the lot. For no extra charge he could get lost in Phila. and finally get back to my inlaws at around 9:30pm
Oh, did I mention it was around 35 degrees yesterday, with a wind chill I am sure was much lower.
All for 2,500 bucks.
PS. even though it was a long day and hard work and I am ripping on it here I did have a fun time. Heck I volunteer. |
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Jeff Martin, Photographer
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wellington | OH | usa | Posted: 7:10 PM on 12.04.05 |
->> I am fully prepared to be flamed for this post. Understand that I am on your side: however....To the unwashed public, all this sounds like whining. We (you) have no right to make money off of these events. I'm fairly sure that USC. Stanford, or ND don't need the publicity we provide.
From recent events, it's fairly clear that AD's and SID's visit this site on a regular basis. Try to keep in mind how this thread sounds to someone who puts on one of these major college games. I was at Ohio State a couple of weeks ago and can't imagine the overhead involved. The stadium, closing down half the town, overtime for cops and a few helicopters overhead plus a million bucks for San Diego St. to visit. I'm pretty sure the OSU SID does not think he needs another free lance shooter on the side line.
Anyhow, while I agree with the sentiment expressed, maybe a little restraint is called for in this forumn. I'm glad this thread is almost full so I don't get the full dressing down that maybe some want to give me. Feel free to email me off my member page if you'd like to discuss this issue. Jeff |
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Henry Hsu, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:33 AM on 12.11.05 |
| ->> You can have my rose bowl credential for $200,000. It has to cover my next year's tuition, some new optics, and a delicious bag of gummy bears from Germany. |
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Henry Hsu, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:36 AM on 12.11.05 |
| ->> Um... someone thought I was serious and immediately emailed me... Sorry for the joke. I am entirely kidding. That was inappropriate of me. |
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Craig Peterson, Photographer
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St. Petersburg | FL | US | Posted: 11:12 AM on 12.11.05 |
->> From Delane's link:
The Grand Prize
(4) Premium Washington Redskins game tickets
Sideline access to shoot the action
Tips from a pro sports photographer
Canon Digital Rebel XT camera kit
Canon 8x25 Image Stabilizer binoculars
I wonder which pro will be giving the "tips". Hopefully he/her will tip them off about retaining their rights. |
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Joshua Brown, Photographer
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Clyde | NC | USA | Posted: 11:45 AM on 12.11.05 |
| ->> Just curious but why do you need 4 premium tickets if you have sideline access to shoot the game? Are they available so that when you get tired from carring around the Rebel XT complete with kit lens and Wal-Mart monopod that you can sit down and relax with your buddies? |
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Jerry Lai, Photographer, Assistant
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Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 12.11.05 |
->> Henry - Someone actually offered you $200,000 for your Rose Bowl credential?!? Were they for real? With that, you could easily pay for next year's tuition, all the long glass you want, your gummy bears, AND to boot, probably still shoot the Rose Bowl by buying somebody else's Rose Bowl credentials! LOL ;-)
Or about 200,000 bags of delicious gummy bears from Germany. |
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We have 15 refurbished demo Nikon D3 cameras available. First come, first served! Comes with a 3 month manufacturer warranty, and extended warranties are available. Send an email to samys@sportsshooter.com, or call 866-726-9463 and identify yourself as a person from SportsShooter.
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