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Quad G5's and new Apple program for pro photographers
Joshua Brown, Photo Editor, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:04 PM on 10.19.05
->> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051019/sfw095.html?.v=25

New program is called Aperture.
http://www.apple.com/aperture (link isn't working yet but should be right)

Dual dual core powermacs should hold over nicely until the Intel macs arrive. But this aperture program should be a lot of fun to play with.
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Joshua Brown, Photo Editor, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:07 PM on 10.19.05
->> Oh yeah,and it "blew away" Heinz Kleutmeier of SI, so it might be worth checkin out :)

"Until now, RAW files have taken so long to work with," said Heinz Kluetmeier, renowned sports photographer whose credits include over 100 Sports Illustrated covers. "What amazed me about Aperture is that you can work directly with RAW files, you can loupe and stack them and it's almost instantaneous -- I suspect that I'm going to stop shooting JPEGs. Aperture just blew me away."
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 1:10 PM on 10.19.05
->> FYI..."Aperture" won't be available until November:

" Aperture will be available in November through the Apple Store(R)
(
http://www.apple.com), Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $499 (US). Full system requirements and more information on Aperture can be found at http://www.apple.com/aperture"
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 1:32 PM on 10.19.05
->> For that price Aperture better be amazing.

I have a question about the dual core processors: I noticed that the G5 2.0 and 2.3 GHz models are now single dual core processors rather than dual processors. Is this going to translate into essentially the same performance (speed) as the previous generation dual processor units? Any other tradeoffs to be expected?
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Joshua Brown, Photo Editor, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:35 PM on 10.19.05
->> Here is a video of Heinz

http://www.apple.com/aperture/profiles/?kluetmeier
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 1:46 PM on 10.19.05
->> OK, it does look amazing (and so does Heinz).

Just looking at that double page photo of the UCLA player in the Sept. 26 issue of SI... considering the crop, it's not bad - I wonder if that was processed with Aperture? (the video certainly does imply that)

Also some updates to the 15 & 17" Powerbooks:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051019/sfw097.html?.v=28
Higher res and brighter screens with longer battery life as well as Dual Link support for the 30" display...
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Steven Georges, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:46 PM on 10.19.05
->> Apple has earned a well deserved positive reputation for their other pro applications. Other PhotoShop competitors over the years have tried with poorly thought out and buggy designs to the point where people don't even bother to check out other PhotoShop competing programs anymore. But this looks promising. I will be more than happy to dump Nikon Capture (yes, I'm a Nikon guy) for working with RAW files. I don't think I will replace PhotoShop. More than likely I will use it WITH PhotoShop and Photo Mechanic using the best features of each. As I shoot mostly with RAW files, this looks promising!
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Kirby Yau, Photographer
El Cajon | CA | USA | Posted: 2:34 PM on 10.19.05
->> Ron, we won't know if performance would be the same as the previous gen until sites such as xlr8yourmac or barefeats does some benchmarking. But looking superficially everyting is the same sans the PCI-X slots and the move to a more standard PCI-E slots. The QUAD processor Mac is amazing though.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 2:57 PM on 10.19.05
->> It looks like more of a Photo Mechanic killer than a Photoshop killer. I doubt anyone will dump photoshop completely in lieu of this app...maybe use PS less, but it's a hard app to live without. However I could see people dumping photo mechanic if the Aperture workflow is zippy. The ability to do basic retouch and toning quickly on RAW files is hard to pass up.
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 3:35 PM on 10.19.05
->> haha...I like the part in this video where the guy says he's searching for images shot with his wide angle lens with an aperture greater than 50...talk about depth of field...F50?

http://www.apple.com/aperture/quicktours/?management



Delane
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 3:38 PM on 10.19.05
->> THIS (versioning) will be cool

http://www.apple.com/aperture/quicktours/?process
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Michael Jordan, Photographer
West Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 4:52 PM on 10.19.05
->> Farewell Photo Mechanic I knew thee well.
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Joshua Brown, Photo Editor, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 5:03 PM on 10.19.05
->> I am sure we will have to keep photoshop around at least for this first version, but it does most of what I do in photoshop too. Spot healing, crop, color balance, sharpen, saturation, etc. The only thing I can think of that I really need on top of that would be Noise Ninja, but it does have its own noise reduction program too. It does backups, captioning, labeling, etc. No doubt plugins will come along to make it even better.
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer
Kailua-Kona | HI | USA | Posted: 5:08 PM on 10.19.05
->> The strange thing about the Aperture webpage is that they show part numbers for a Full Version and Upgrade Version of the application on the Tech Specs page http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs.html

Though I think this is just an error as it leads to the Apple Store listing for Motion 2.

Aperture doesn't appear to have the bells and whistles of Photoshop though I haven't seen all the features of it yet. Seems more geared to documentary type photographers who won't be making multilayered movie posters out of their image files.

Also we'll have to see how it handles storing images on the hard drive. If it's the same kind of directory mess as iPhoto it might make it tough to archive images onto DVD. But the contact page feature will probably make it nice to send all those images in on a CD to the copyright office.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer, Photo Editor
New England | | USA | Posted: 5:16 PM on 10.19.05
->> The software takes up 5gigs of space.....holy crap
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 5:21 PM on 10.19.05
->> Just what we all needed, more software to buy and more software to learn.
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Steven Georges, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 5:43 PM on 10.19.05
->> Steven,
I believe it need 5 gigs of free space to work with, not install.
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Norm Yee, Photographer
Fremont | CA | USA | Posted: 6:17 PM on 10.19.05
->> sounds like it's positioned against the likes of Capture One and other RAW workflow apps as opposed to Photoshop. With the $499 pricetag, it's certain priced similarly to Capture One (for comparision Photoshop CS2 standalone is $599).

the versioning feature is a neat idea. too bad it looks like it's a mac-only app at least for now
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 6:22 PM on 10.19.05
->> Baron...I'm with you...I won't even think about this program if it COPIES all the files to it's own directory like iPhoto. Can you imagine (2) copies of all your RAW images in your hard drive? NOT!!!

I'm hoping they have a 30 day demo of the program...and that it can be used with 10.4's Automator program...


dbr
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 7:07 PM on 10.19.05
->> At $150 or so, Photo Mechanic has nothing to worry about. This product may compete with Adobe PS, but it's totally overpriced if you just need a browser. Adobe's been in the game a while and they might just have a few tricks up their sleeves as well.

Thing is... I've been using Photoshop for nearly 10 years. That familiarity is going to be hard to surrender for essentially a new GUI.
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Damon Moritz, Photographer, Photo Editor
Woodbridge | Va. | USA | Posted: 7:25 PM on 10.19.05
->> Hmm, $499 for the 1st generation of Aperture or $150 for tried and true PhotoMechanic... What are the odds that you will be able to go to a forum and post questions to the developers of Aperture? We all have a direct link to PhotoMechanic's Kirk Baker and he responds both in e-mail and in product.

I just don't see this becoming as widely used as PhotoMechanic due to price and market saturation of PM.

The space used by Aperture is also a concern. When on assignent I don't always ingest my cards. At sporting event halftimes I usually work straight off of my cards to save time rather than downloading each image (and yes I'm shooting Raw+JPG). That is the genius of PM. It doesn't have library folders which require ingesting cards. Its trim and powerful like a boxer. No unnecessary baggage.

I think I will continue to use PM for reasons of expense and workflow.

That means:
$150 PhotoMechanic
$126 Photoshop CS2 upgrade
$ 74 Word Mac upgrade - for captions

rather than
$499 Aperture
and more to do the same.

- Damon
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 7:57 PM on 10.19.05
->> The thing I note is that current PowerBooks (not 12-inch PBs, they don't have enough processor speed) are at the borderline on the MINIMUM system requirements.

A 14 or 17-inch PB has a 1.5ghz G4 processor and maxes at 2gb RAM.

That is the minimum system requirements.

Note they recommend a Dual G5 with a ton of RAM to get full speed.

So someone trying to edit in the field will probably find a lot of the functions running slow. Take a 2gb CF card full of images and load it in while trying to file quickly from a game? Don't think so.

With PM and PS running you can copy the files or edit off the disk for faster speed in filing and with PM you can only look at the 10 images or whatever you've tagged to make your first edit very quick. Have to see if Aperture will allow that kind of versatility and speed while sitting on a baseline with PB on your lap and a cell phone plugged in to transmit.

I work only on a laptop right now. If I had a desktop I don't think I would want to use one editing system in the field and turn around when I get in the office to do things completely different
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 8:25 PM on 10.19.05
->> George...GREAT points. I'm sure that the video I saw from the Apple website is super-edited for our eyes, and the machines that Heinz Kluetmeier, Joe Buissink and Richard Burbridge were demonstrating on were TOP OF THE LINE machines with every trick of the trade applied to make it look so "erffortless"...

Having said that, this program might be the cat's meow...becuase it is designed FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS...I don't notice things for "graphic design" like text tools, character tools, and layers and web tools like slices and stuff like that...I did see tools that I need to use on a daily basis...

I work off of laptops exclusively as well (just made the "switch" back to Apple and a 15" PB 1.67Ghz, 1 GB RAM) and I'll just have to wait to see how "zippy" this program will be on that machine...

dbr
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John Gwillim, Student/Intern, Photographer
East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 10.19.05
->> After looking at this I thought it looked liek a great program, but, i only have a 12" powerbook, so, I guess I am out of luck there. I am going to wait and see what other's results are before i spend the money to be one of the first few.

Just as a side note, Apple is accepting pre-orders for students as well with a price of $149, the same as photo mechanic, so, for a student, this may be an alternative that is simular in price to PM
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 8:47 PM on 10.19.05
->> How typical. Something new is introduced and before the end of the day (and WELL before any of us actually see, touch or use it) it's poo-pooed up and down the board.

I've got lots of opinions about the pro's and con's but I'll likely hold off until I test the product out myself. As for the quad processor, I can hardly contain my precious bodily fluids.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 8:57 PM on 10.19.05
->> Thomas,

I don't mean to talk it down. Heck, I'm wanting to see if our Systems guys can talk to our Apple sales reps and get a copy to test out.

I'm interested to see how it goes and hopefully when the Intel-powered laptops come out they will be mega-fast and this will work great on them.

But this program is designed to perform on the high-end systems and will run on a PB, but probably not at blazing speeds due to technical limitations. I still remember the days of running PS 3.0 on a PB1400 and thinking "darn this is so fast compared to that old PB" but I'm so used to today's processors I couldn't stand to go back to processing images at speeds even twice as fast as that was. I don't think it would be that slow, but it really looks like a memory and processor hog.

I think a lot of the features are great. I like the magnifying tool that you can examine one part of a photo rapidly, like checking to see if a player's eyes are sharp or not, but until processor speeds are cranking on laptops, I'm afraid it won't be the be-all-end-all system for the on location photographer.

Now, if I can just get the company to buy a dual processor G5 for each stadium/arena I work at .......
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Zach Honig, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 8:59 PM on 10.19.05
->> John, where can you pre-order for $149? The Apple education store lists the price as $249.
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
Kokomo | IN | United States | Posted: 9:05 PM on 10.19.05
->> I'm sold on Aperture, one please!

As for the computer, I sitting pat until the Intels come out, it makes no sense to buy anything new now.
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Michael R. Sisak, Student/Intern, Photographer
Commack | NY | USA | Posted: 9:06 PM on 10.19.05
->> He said fluids, Lois.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:20 PM on 10.19.05
->> I'm supposed to ditch Photoshop and pay Apple $500 for the program?

I think I'll wait for Version 2.1.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:22 PM on 10.19.05
->> "I could see people dumping photo mechanic if the Aperture workflow is zippy. The ability to do basic retouch and toning quickly on RAW files is hard to pass up"

Photo Mechanic = $100. Canon Digital Pro software (for basic retouch and toning on RAW files) = $0
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 9:38 PM on 10.19.05
->> On an aside, I note that in all the video clips the photographers talk about how it mimics laying slides out on a light table and how intuitive it is in that way.

Now, I've done my share of editing using a light table and moving negs or slides around to get the final edit, but I know a lot of photogs whose entire experience is digital and therefore have never used a light table. Or as one intern put it a couple years ago "I think I shot a few rolls of film. (pause, pause) In high school." Thanks, I'll get out my cane now.

And as Jim notes, I already own PM and Photoshop CS2 with its raw editor. Now I've got to shell out $500? Also, Bibble does a lot of the same stuff rolled into one for $125 -- which includes cool highlight and shadow recovery functions.

And I dream of the day where I have side-by-side 30-inch monitors. Of course that dream will come true if I hit the Powerball tonight.
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Nick Hoover, Student/Intern, Photographer
San Luis Obispo | CA | USA | Posted: 10:13 PM on 10.19.05
->> I won't say anything about Aperture, but I will say...

Photoshop has the history brush, and for that reason alone I will never be able to get away from it.

So... everyone who's talking about getting away with photoshop, don't understand that one. That's THE tool for toning photographs...

We'll see.
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John Gwillim, Student/Intern, Photographer
East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 10:18 PM on 10.19.05
->> Zach-

I went through the msu computer store website, not the apple educational site directly.

I typed in the University of Missouri and went to the Apple page through that and found the $149 too. Here is the link:

http://store.apple.com/AppleStore/WebObjects/HEDCustom.woa/72907/wo/2I380V5...

Hopefully that works, or, try and go through your school's computer store website and see what you can find.

John
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 10.20.05
->> A lot of the features and interfaces visible in the preview/demo are the same as what are in iPhoto. That makes sense, since Apple's most likely doing the same as they did with iMovie -> Final Cut; They're creating a pro version of their consumer product.

iPhoto has some nice features; The stuff mentioned above as being cool were the strengths of iPhoto. Hopefully Apple's addressed some of the performance issues and made a more stable program. I used iPhoto for a while, when it first came out, and thought it had a lot of promise.

The $499 price mentioned is retail. Adobe's retail price of Photoshop CS2 is $599. Who here paid $599 for PS, and who really believes that $499 will be the street price for Aperture?

I'm looking forward to seeing it in action at one of the local Apple Stores. I'm good with Photoshop, but I hardly need all its capabilities for my normal work. Aperture might be a great choice for people who don't need the power of Photoshop, because we hardly take advantage of its capabilities... well, except for Trent with his huge composites. :-)

Apple is providing an alternate to Photoshop, not a replacement; Both apps will be competing, which is good because the choices are dwindling. Some people will switch, some won't. Either way, Apple's ahead, because there'll be one more pro-level digital editing/manipulation application available for the Mac helping it be a viable platform in a very competitive computing marketplace.
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Andrew Mo, Student/Intern
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 12:44 AM on 10.20.05
->> To help address the pricing confusion:

The Apple Academic -Institutional- Price for 1-4 licenses is $149.00 (per license I believe).

The Apple Academic -Individual- Price for one license is $249.99.

The Apple Retail -Individual- Price for one license is $499.
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Seth Laubinger, Photographer
Mobile | AL | USA | Posted: 1:45 AM on 10.20.05
->> Aperture looks great but I think the down point for aperture is that is Mac only. I'm a mac guy but for the windows and cross platform operations Photoshop will remain the conerstone for editing software for the time being.

After looking everything over though I really want to try aperture out, looks like it would be a great addition to the studio as well as the sideline.
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer, Assistant
Round Rock (Austin) | TX | US | Posted: 10:27 AM on 10.20.05
->> Here are a few more preliminary details on the program.

Apple: Aperture not a Photoshop competitor
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/10/19/notpsd/index.php
“We are positioning this as an all-in-one solution,” said Rob Schoeben, Apple’s vice president of Applications Marketing. “We know photographers use Photoshop, so we integrated support into Aperture.”

Close-up on Aperture
http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/editors/2005/10/aperture/index.php
"It sounds as though Aperture will resemble its distant iPhoto cousin in at least one way: how you manage your files—or rather don’t manage them. Like iPhoto, Aperture organizes and tracks your files for you. I haven’t seen what the file system looks like at the back end (iPhoto annoyingly sorts its files by date). But Aperture’s interface appears to group files into projects that you define."
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 11:52 AM on 10.20.05
->> If it's using iPhoto's method of importing images and organizing them into its own folder hierarchy, then I'd consider that a minus-point.

I want to know where the images are stored, and to use my own organizing.

I guess you could trust the program to not screw up and lose images or corrupting catalogs, but iPhoto had bugs doing that. Those are supposed to be fixed, but they left a bad taste in my mouth. I want my image files stored where I put them and for the program to adjust to my methods, not the other way around.

The cataloging in iPhoto was pretty nice though, and incorporated some things that I wish Photo Mechanic had, such as proposing possible matches as you start typing in a field when filling out IPTC info.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer, Photo Editor
New England | | USA | Posted: 4:30 PM on 10.20.05
->> I'd love aperture but I have a few issues with it

It works with 1Ds, 1D MkII, 1Ds Mk II, 10D and 20D raw files, but it does not work with 1D raw files (according to the Aperture Raw chart). I still love my 1D bodies, but if it will not work with 1D raw files, I have little interest in the software.

The other bone is that the specs seem to me like running Aperture on a G4 PowerBook would be almost be useless. I don't have dual processors and I do not have 2GB RAM in my PowerBook (you can't with a PowerBook anyway), which is my primary system for editing.


.......anyone else notice the three highlighted subjects all have side-by-side 30" monitors? I've asked for them at home, but I keep getting that stare back like "what the hell are you thinking?"
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James Schaffer, Photographer, Photo Editor
Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 4:33 PM on 10.20.05
->> I also looked at the video card requirements and my Dual 1.8 G5 does not meet spec. My NVidia card is not listed. On the surface this looks like a good program but it also looks like it has the potential to be a resource eating hog.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 4:40 PM on 10.20.05
->> Steven,

I noted the side-by-side 30 inch monitors in a previous post too.

You can get 2gb RAM in a PB. The current model 15- and 17-inch models are at the borderline of the required system for running it.

But they lag way behind the "recommended" dual processor with double the RAM.
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Trent Nelson, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 5:00 PM on 10.20.05
->> As great as this product looks, version 1.0 is a turnoff. And I'm watching the Heinz video picturing him working on my single 17" LCD and 2.5 year old G4 tower, without an assistant.

Another issue to watch with Aperture is how well it plays with other apps-

With photoshop and photomechanic, canon's DPP, etc., all the adjustments and captioning info I create are saved into formats that other programs can access from the original files.

With iPhoto and iTunes, and possibly Aperture, a lot of the adjustments you make are stored in the program's library and only show up in those programs. For example, those handy star ratings for your songs in iTunes don't get embedded into the mp3 files like a JPEG caption does. So if your iTunes library goes corrupt (that NEVER happens!), you lose all your ratings.

Hopefully Aperture lives up to the hype.

Anyone notice Adobe updated CameraRaw today but it still doesn't support Mark 2N raw files?
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer, Photo Editor
New England | | USA | Posted: 7:58 PM on 10.20.05
->> George

I have a 12" PB, and when I upgrade it will be to another 12" PB, so no 2GB RAM for me.

I still have a problem with Aperture not supporting the Raw files from the original 1D body. I love the original 1D, and these cameras have a lot of life left in them. I like the Raw files, but the work flow on converting files is just painful.

I'm waiting for the 12" PB with four G5 procesors, 8GB RAM, 500gb hard drive, 68x DVD-RW and real 12hr battery (12hrs of battery when burning DVDs and running photoshop).
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
Kokomo | IN | United States | Posted: 8:14 PM on 10.20.05
->> Did anybody notice Heinz shooting with his "left hand" I only say that because they flipped the video image to have the runner running left to right instead of right to left. If you look at the goal line marker in the video the "G" is backwards. Just wondering why they felt they had to do that?
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:35 AM on 10.21.05
->> OK, leave it to Apple to come out with a software application that requires a new computer to run it... you gotta love these guys! I'll keep using a mac until they pry it out of my cold dead hands... but just imagine if you got a new quad quad machine... think of how fast it would run a current version of photo mechanic! I mean, we're talking Cragar mags, holley carbs, flowmasters.... :)

I have to tell you guys, I sat and edited a huge wedding that I shot last weekend (with Brian Wagner) with a 5D body. I never thought I'd ever see my trusty G5 dual 2.0 get slowed down like that... I went from 1789 photos down to 741 in about three hours... but I could have done it in an hour if I had a quad quad, 4x4 whatever you call it machine... I'll stick with the boys at photo mechanic for a while... What I want to see is what Adobe did with flash after they bought macromedia out last year...????????
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Oscar Reixa, Photographer
Vigo | Po | Spain | Posted: 2:57 AM on 10.21.05
->> Ron

The first tests star to appear. It seems thta the new dual core 2.3 it's a little faster than the old dual 2.5.

Not bad.... :)
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 11:35 AM on 10.21.05
->> I found this somewhere...

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- Aperture deals with the RAW data coming from the Camera
- All edits are non-destructive
- No "save" command, all changes are logged to a SQL database
- Advanced web galleries, photo books and prints. Photo books are higher resolution and have more flexible layouts than those offered through iPhoto.
- "Smart" web galleries which have images posted based on certain criteria
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With an Automator action, you can automatically place images you’re importing into a folder, add pre-defined metadata to them, and then back up the folder. That’s hands-free efficiency


No SAVE command...that'll be different.
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 1:21 PM on 10.21.05
->> No save command...

I wonder how that will work when transferring files to another computer, to another person, etc? If the adjustments are saved in a database on your editing computer, how will those adjustments travel with a file once it's taken from its original location? Especially if you don't use Aperture to transfer the file. With apps like DPP, adjustments are embedded directly into the raw file (though many don't like this idea since it can potentially mess with the original image) or like with ACR, can travel as a sidecar XML file. Maybe it will be necessary to use Aperture to export files, but at the moment, it's not a workflow I follow since I still tend to do most file moving through the Finder. Same question about IPTC metadata. Is it actually embedded directly into the file or just saved in the database? With Photo Mechanic, you know that when you add caption info, that it's going directly into the file. With other apps like Portfolio, if you add keywords, caption, etc. to the catalog, its not embedded in the file, rather just stored in the database. Move that file through the Finder, etc. and the Portfolio specific metadata does not travel with the file.

A lot of questions will hopefully be answered soon once reviewers have a chance to look at Aperture in depth... but there have been some relevant concerns brought up in this discussion. Other factors are quality of the conversion, speed of batch conversions, 16 bit support?, no curves adjustments? (I prefer curves over sliders)

Steven, Aperture does support the 1D. See the list here:
http://www.apple.com/aperture/raw/
If it didn't, you'd still be able to get around that by converting your 1D archive to DNG (yes, that would be a serious pain in the butt - I'll sell my G5 2.3 DP to you so I can get the Quad).

Regarding the compatibility concerns: Maybe Aperture will work on slower machines, but just be too painfully slow? If you watch the demo videos carefully, you'll see that whenever the loupe is brought over a new image, there is a brief "Loading" dialog that appears along with the spinning pinwheel. If that's happening with top of the line G5s, one can only imagine the delay with slower systems. The G4 laptops are slow compared to Intel units (everyone knows this, right?) and my guess is Aperture will be much happier on the Intel chips. By that time there should also be dual core processors in laptops. In a year or so hardware performance likely won't be an issue unless you are unwilling to upgrade (and of course Apple is betting that you will).
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Joshua Brown, Photo Editor, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 1:57 PM on 10.21.05
->> Here are some more articles and threads to check out

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/67909965/m/988005095...


http://forums.robgalbraith.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=370539&an=0&page=0...

http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/10/19/1810225.shtml?tid=162&tid=3

http://www.spymac.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=198479
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