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Rich Clarkson: 50 Years of the Final Four
Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 6:26 AM on 04.01.05
->> Photography legend Rich Clarkson will be featured in a one hour program called "50 Years of the Final Four: Behind the Lens" on various ESPN channels and at various times over the next few days. I expect this to be a fascinating look at Rich's career covering the Final Four and how sports photography has evolved over the course of this pioneer's life.

This year marks Rich's 50th year covering the Final Four. He also holds the distinction of having more Sports Illustrated covers from the Final Four than any other photographer.
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Matthew Charles Whitcher, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:16 PM on 04.01.05
->> Very cool. Thanks for the info, Mark.
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Chris Livingston, Photographer
Orlando | FL | United States | Posted: 7:25 AM on 04.02.05
->> FYI,

I just checked the GUIDE and it will air this morning at 11 am EST on ESPN Classic and again Monday at 4 pm EDT. Set the DVR and enjoy.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer, Photo Editor
New England | | USA | Posted: 12:53 PM on 04.02.05
->> Just finished watching it....and have a sudden urge to shoot basketball (the least favourite of my sports).

His work is just fantastic. Anyone else have an inferiority complex after watching it?
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Jared Dort, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cottonwood | AZ | usa | Posted: 2:18 PM on 04.02.05
->> Just saw it this morning before work. It was great. He was the first to use a tele for down court, and I believe he had 36 cover's for SI.
It's definitely a must-watch.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 1:49 AM on 04.03.05
->> This is a plug for the Clarkson Workshop in June in Colorado Springs. Incredible learning experience, and to top it off, Rich Clarkson is as easy to learn from as any human being you'll ever meet.It's stocked with a great group of instructors.

VERY much worth the money and time.

Michael
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 6:17 PM on 05.16.05
->> this is not to piss anyone off, but i was just wondering
something.

did anyone notice in the latest NPPA News Photographer
magazine, Rich Clarkson's photo of the Tar Heels in the
leading off section, was...um...out of focus?

there are tons of reasons why this could happen, back
focus lens, bad camera, user error, etc., but i find
it odd that this photo was chosen to run as a two-page
spread in the magazine that Clarkson used to be president
of.

This is not to diminish Clarkson's great work over the years.
I just figured thought it was wierd to include an out-of-focus
photo in an article/side bar that mentions Clarkson's 50
years of covering the final four.

Yes, i know, we all aren't perfect and get every photo tack
sharp. But I usually don't submit out-of-focus photos to
my clients.

I think Clarkson is better than this image, even though
it captures a very intense moment.
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 7:45 PM on 05.16.05
->> It very well could have been an artistic moment by the photographer. Do you have a link to the image?
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 8:13 PM on 05.16.05
->> I can't find a good photo online anywhere. The photo in the
ncaaphotos.com site is too small to tell it's out-of-focus.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 11:32 PM on 05.16.05
->> here's a link to the photo on the ncaaphotos site

https://www.ncaaphotos.com/cgi-bin/cuwp_cgi?directArg=GENRC11120&B_I_TN,QDI...

it's too small though. anybody else see this photo larger online anywhere, or has seen it in NPPA News Photog. to comment.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 11:34 PM on 05.16.05
->> It's image M1K2005CAY.jpg on the second page. i don't think
the link above will work. it's under 2005 mens basketball
div I, if you do a search.
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Neal Vaughan, Photographer
St. Joseph | MI | USA | Posted: 11:58 PM on 05.16.05
->> I too was baffled by the choice of that photo to run as a double-truck.
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Milwaukie (Portland) | OR | USA | Posted: 12:06 AM on 05.17.05
->> I have not seen it, but it looks sharp there, could it have been a printing thing that makes it look soft...maybe slightly out of register, or interpolated incorrectly or something along those lines?
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Neal Vaughan, Photographer
St. Joseph | MI | USA | Posted: 12:34 AM on 05.17.05
->> No, it's very clearly backfocused on the first row of media/officials.

Heavin forbid that I criticize such a great shooter, but I wasn't particularly impressed with the photo as a whole either. The 5 or so rows of people in the background (more are in the print photo than online) do not add much, save for the fat guy on the right peeking over. The coach being cutoff exactly at the neckline bothers me too.

I'd be curious as to the thinking behind the selection of this photo, but I'm sure my time is much better spent trying to create photographs on par with the portfolio of terrific NCAA images he has amassed.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 11:36 AM on 05.17.05
->> glad I wasn't the only one who was "baffled"
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Trevor Brown, Photographer, Assistant
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 5:08 PM on 05.17.05
->> This started off as a nice post about a great photographer and turned into a bashing. Stew, maybe you should take your own thoughts of Rich's image and apply them to one of your own images...namely, the last image of Tom Brady in your gallery.
Both your image and Rich's are nice moments, but aren't perfect since they aren't focused properly. You/Rich had a great opportunity to make a great image and missed it. Big deal. As we know, it happens to all of us.
Neither your image, or Rich's should have ever been put on public display.
How/Why Rich's image was published, who cares? But to bash the guy, is a little out of line.
With Respect,
Trevor
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 5:47 PM on 05.17.05
->> Trevor-- I was never bashing Rich, just though it was odd,
weird, strange that his image, even though a great moment,
was published, and at that size.

YOU missed the point.

In a thread that was started to let everyone know about
50 great years of final four photography, I came across
an image in a mag. celebrating his 50 years as well. I
know I'm not the only one who noticed it, but may have
been the only person with balls to post it...at least
the first on ss.com

Actually, my shot of Tom Brady that you mention, isn't
even that great of a moment. And yes, it is a little
out of focus, but I didn't publish it or let it be
published celebrating my 50 great years of Patriots'
photography (yes, I'm only 34, so give me a few years
until that happens..ha ha)

Read the posts again. No bashing involved!!!
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 6:00 PM on 05.17.05
->> Trevor--you forgot to mention that you shoot for NCAA photos.
Is that directly for Rich's company?
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Trevor Brown, Photographer, Assistant
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 6:30 PM on 05.17.05
->> Stew, you might want to choose your words carefully, since it is very difficult to read your posts without getting the sense that you are being a little condescending...

"Rich Clarkson's photo of the Tar Heels in the leading off section, was...um...out of focus?

Or,

"glad I wasn't the only one who was "baffled""

Come on, how do you think people are going to take those remarks when they are written like that? You knew someone might not like what you wrote or the way you wrote it since you tried to cover your hide by saying that your comments weren't meant to piss anyone off.

I just found it strange for you to take notice to someone's fault when you have the exact same scenario posted on your own page.

I am off to make some images.

Trevor
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Trevor Brown, Photographer, Assistant
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 6:40 PM on 05.17.05
->> Stew, yes, I do shoot for NCAA Photos.

And yes, I think you are taking this overboard.

Trevor
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 6:42 PM on 05.17.05
->> why did i preface my post with "this is not to piss anyone off", b/c of the reaction of individuals like you trevor.

this is not questioning Clarkson's 50 great years, it's more about the choice of this particular image to run as a
double-truck in a magazine where Clarkson himself used
to be president of and to represent Clarkson himself.

heaven-for-bid i notice that an image of a "great" is
out-of-focus.

i believe that many ss.com members haven't read this thread
b/c they think it's just about the tv special on espn. some
other opinions on this might be helpful

just for you trevor, that image of Brady is being removed.
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Kyle Coburn, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 11:36 PM on 05.17.05
->> I also noticed the image in NPPA magazine, and was confused.

Anyways, I will have to look for this program on ESPN.
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Chris Faytok, Photographer
FORDS | NJ | USA | Posted: 12:15 AM on 05.18.05
->> is this special still on? I cant find it on in the next few days.
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Jason Ivester, Photographer
Rocky Mount | NC | USA | Posted: 8:42 AM on 05.18.05
->> Kyle & Chris:
Please note that the original post stating "at various times over the next few days" was posted on 04.01.05 (around the time of the 2005 Final Four). Therefore, it will not be on in the next few days from 05.18.05.

Stew:
I just got my copy of News Photographer last night and I noticed the same thing as I was flipping through. At first I was pissed because it was another photo the Tar Heels. Then, as I looked at it, I noticed that the focus was without a doubt on the media folk two or three rows behind where the focus SHOULD have been.

Now, in no way do I claim to be 1/100 as good as Rich Clarkson. He is an excellent photographer. But to address the argument that Trevor is trying to begin, the problem lies within the choice of image by the magazine. Running a back-focused image as a double truck really shows the flaw.

Just my $.02 and feel free to differ.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 12:05 PM on 05.18.05
->> Jason:
thanks. you get it.

i wonder if Rich submitted this photo to NPPA for publication.
NPPA would obviously have to get Rich's permission to publish it.

i guess i should have started my orginal post like the SNL
skit with Mike Myers (i think), where he brings up a topic
and then says "discuss" w/o picking a side.
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Kyle Coburn, Student/Intern, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:14 PM on 05.18.05
->> I did happen to find it scheduled to be on ESPN Classic Mon May 23 12:00pm CDT
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Jason Ivester, Photographer
Rocky Mount | NC | USA | Posted: 3:09 PM on 05.18.05
->> Kyle,
Thanks for the correction. :)
I'll have to set the DVR for it.

jase
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Mike Pittman, Photographer
Cary | NC | USA | Posted: 1:58 PM on 05.19.05
->> They have DVR in Rocky Mount? Whoah. :)

Thanks for the update as well, I'll set my old fashioned VCR... if I ever figure out how to get rid of the blinking 12:00
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Robert Seale, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 1:15 AM on 05.21.05
->> .....sorry, but I'm not going to be as nice as Trevor.

Why does everyone on this site have to be a nitpicking smart*ss?

This is why no one comes on here and posts anymore. You guys have slowly run off Frakes, Carroll, Rickman, PRM, et al. This kind of crap is why.

"Gee guys.... did you notice that Eddie Adams execution photo was shot at too low of a shutter speed to stop the bullet? Any other flaws you's like to point out? Perhaps he should have used some fill-flash to stop the action? "

...or perhaps we could go through here as a group and pick your portfolio apart, Mr. Milne. When you get a career's worth of photos that look like one month out of Clarkson's career - you can give us a call.

Rich Clarkson has done more for our business (and trained more young photographers) than anyone out there. He is a wise sage, a brilliant photographer with a storied career, and a very good friend.

God knows why anyone picks any photo to run in any publication! Do you really think photographers have any say at all in what runs and what doesn't run? If so, you are indeed newer to our business than your 34 years indicates.

I hope when I'm 70 years old, no one judges me by the last little thumbnail that runs in the Sporting News.......

I will also say that Mr. Winslow has done a hell of a job getting News Photographer back on it's feet. It looks like a real photo magazine now, with excellent layouts, and good stories.

Please. Everyone. Get a life. Quit the sniping about everyone else's work, quit insulting legends who have forgotten more about photography than any of us will ever know, and go out and shoot your own classics.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 9:24 AM on 05.21.05
->> Robert
Those that can...do. Those that can't...post?

Anyone who has ever met Rich Clarkson very quickly realize they are in the presence of true genius and greatness.
And he will share.......


Go shoot something.Quit posting for the thrill(?) of posting.

Michael
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Chris Faytok, Photographer
FORDS | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 05.21.05
->> Thank you Robert Seale. Well said.
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Stew Milne, Photographer
Providence | RI | USA | Posted: 11:14 AM on 05.23.05
->> to all that misinterpreted my post (and maybe i didn't start
it out in the best light), i apolagize. i was hesitant to
post anyway, exactly for the reasons that have come about;
members thinking that i am just trying to find the flaws in a legends photograph, b/c it makes me feel better.

Robert: Hey, don't get on my case either. My original post
was about the choice and use of that image, not the fact that it wasn't a "perfect" photo. I'm not nitpicking a legend either. YOU MISSED THE POINT TOO. I'm not hear to argue or make enemies.

Maybe I should have started my post questioning the editor of News Photographer's choice to run that image that large. And yes I agree with Robert, Winslow has done a great job with the magazine.

Michael: I rarely post here. I'm usually shooting. The only reason I did, is that I had a conversation with a few photographers who also thought it was odd about the selection of Clarkson's image to run as a double truck. Many other fellow ss members have contacted me through email instead of posting, agreeing with me. I guess they didn't want to get berrated, like I am. I see why.

I'm not disagreeing the Clarkson has done amazing things for our industry. The post was never about that. The post really wasn't about that.

I think in this case, Clarkson probably did have a say in what image ran. He used to be the president of NPPA, and I would hope the editors of NP would have contacted him, as a courtesy to say that this photo was running, or ask Clarkson which photo of his from the NCAA final four he would like to have published. Just my opinion though. Typically, we as photographers, don't get to choose which photo runs. I know.

ONCE AGAIN! It's not about the technical aspects of Clarkson's photo, but of the choice to use it as a double truck. If it had run smaller, we never would have noticed it wasn't perfectly focused.

"Please. Everyone. Get a life. Quit the sniping about everyone else's work,..." right back at ya.

Enough! get back to work. Everyone happy now?
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