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Monitor calibration products
Heston Quan, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | | Posted: 1:58 AM on 12.02.04
->> What do you recommend?
A SpyderPro or Colorvision Color Plus or some other brand?
Is the Spyder2Pro much better than the SpyderPro?
Just want to know what your experiences are.
Thanks.
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Ryan Van Scotter, Photographer
Laguna Beach | CA | United States | Posted: 6:13 AM on 12.02.04
->> I use SpyderPro and Profiler Plus on a mac. I haven't used SP2, however I am happy with the results. I do recomend profilling your printer as well, because a calibrated monitor is useless unless you printer is calibrated with the monitor. The Spyder kit comes with both and can be licensed on 3 computers. From what I found none of the other software will let you do that.

ColorVision's ProfilerPlus software is kind of strange, most profilers give you a printable file that has the color card and corner markings for the actual color card provided in the kit. All you do is afix the actual card to the print and scan it in, the software compares the print from the actual card and makes adjustments. The Colorvision version that I have simply prints an imgae and scans it in, and somehow creates a profile, I don't see how it can be as acurate but it's pretty good.

Its also a good idea to adjust your profiles manually and then re-profile, One easy trick is to create a Black fade to white image in Photoshop and then posterize it in 21 steps, That will create a great grey scale and you'll be able to see slight color distortions in the scaling. The Mac OS X calibration will let you make fine adjustments to you your profile. Then I reprofile my monitor and damn if you don't have a fantastic profile...
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Phil Wever, Photographer
Montgomery | IL | USA | Posted: 8:22 AM on 12.02.04
->> I currently use the Monico Optipix (I'm confident that I butchered the spelling) It's very easy to use and before that I was using the Colorvision with the pro spyder.

Here is a link to a nice review on some various color management systems.

http://www.shootsmarter.com/infocenter/wc026a.htm


Hope this helps.
Phil
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Jaren Wilkey, Photographer
Provo | UT | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 12.02.04
->> Is anybody using the Gretag Macbeth Eye-One Display 2?

http://www.gretagmacbeth.com/index/products/products_color-mgmt-spec/produc...

I currently have a Colorvision Spyder and I haven't been happy with the consistency of its profiles on LCDs. Does anybody have experience with the Spyder2?
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Craig Mitchelldyer, Photographer, Assistant
Milwaukie (Portland) | OR | USA | Posted: 11:10 AM on 12.02.04
->> Second the Monico Optix. They have a $50 mail in rebate right now too.....It has worked well for me.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 1:22 AM on 03.08.05
->> While looking at David Leeson's images (http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0503/leeson.html) I noticed that several of them looked very dark to me. They just didn't have a lot of detail in the dark areas. Since I'm sure he's light-years ahead of me in things like this, I decided the problem must be at my end.

After reading up on monitor calibration, and searching the web for articles about it, I found lots of information here, and a fascinating page here (
http://digitaldog.imagingrevue.com/tips/). I've pretty much decided that I need to adjust things at my end.

One suggestion was to download "Printer Test File" (it's listed under "Tips and Tricks"). I did that, and found that when I looked at the image on both of my monitors, the upper two "gradient bars" showed 21 boxes, with two white boxes at one end appearing the same, and four black boxes at the other end appearing the same. Since I'm guessing that this should be a scale ranging from pure black to pure white, my monitor's contrast is probably set way too high.

I'm probably not asking this right, but is there any quick way to get a monitor pretty close to the correct settings? I know there are kits available (such as the ones listed in this item) to calibrate things perfectly, but I'm looking for a method I can use anywhere, at any time, on any monitor, to get it "close" to where it ought to be.

.......as to why I'd like to do this, there are lots of times that I view pictures I've taken on different monitors, and it sure doesn't make sense to start making any corrections to an image, if what I'm looking at isn't even what the image "really" looks like.
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Mike Isler, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | US | Posted: 1:31 AM on 03.08.05
->> Michael,

Look into Adobe Gamma on Windows machines. It ships with Photoshop. It is FAR from perfect, but it does help considerably if a monitor is way off. No hardware needed... just follow the on-screen instructions.

Mike
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 3:31 AM on 03.08.05
->> I've got Adobe Photoshop CS. How do I fire up this "Adobe Gamma" program? Is it run as part of Photoshop, or all by itself?
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Jason Chan, Photographer, Student/Intern
Temple City | CA | USA | Posted: 4:06 AM on 03.08.05
->> Hi Heston

I've got the colorvision spyder--works great. All my prints come out exactly like whats on my monitor. Easy to use too.
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Brian Light, Photographer
Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 8:31 AM on 03.08.05
->> Vincent Laforet did a nice job covering this is a couple of the SS Newsletters:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1104

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1045
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 10:42 AM on 03.08.05
->> Thanks Brian - I looked there, and it seems like excellent advice, and lots of information. Before I spend all the money for calibration hardware though, I'd like to try to use this "Adobe Gamma" program. My question is how to get it to run.

The program might not get things perfect, and eventually I might end up spending the money for the hardware solution anyway, but I'd like to try it myself anyway; It may not be a perfet solution, but it's likely going to improve things from what I've got now.
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Warwick Patterson, Photographer
Whistler | BC | Canada | Posted: 11:59 AM on 03.08.05
->> Adobe Gamma is not a substitute for proper monitor calibration in my opinion. It helps, but it doesn't do the job that a spectrometer will.

I'm in the process of buying the Gretag-Macbeth Eye-One on recommendation from several other photographers (including Rob Galbraith in his seminar I attended).

W
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Neptune | NJ | USA | Posted: 12:09 PM on 03.08.05
->> In this month's MacWorld magazine they reviewed a half dozen or so calibrators some of them listed above. To make a long story short the best reviewed was the Spyder2Pro as it provided the most accurate profiles out of the box of all of the models tested.

I looked online to see if the review was there but it's not. It might be worth picking of the magazine at your local newsstand.

Tree
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Mike Isler, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | US | Posted: 1:37 PM on 03.08.05
->> Michael M,

Check out this Adobe knowledge base article for Windows machines:
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/321608.html
And here for OS X:
http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/321601.html

On my machine, the control panel extension is at C:Program FilesCommon FilesAdobeCalibration . It will help bring up the shadow areas, and get your monitor more "in the ball park".

Warwick,

I do agree with you completely that it is not a substitute for proper calibration. Michael's original question was for something he can "use anywhere, at any time, on any monitor, to get it "close" to where it ought to be." Adobe Gamma should fit that.

Another point to note: The Gretag Macbeth Eye-One system lets you use it to calibrate as many monitors/computers as you desire. It's part of the license... this is coming from a Gretag rep: "If you wanted to take the Eye-One and calibrate all the monitors in an office, while purchasing only one, that is OK". The downfall to doing that is you will have many people asking you to recalibrate their monitors on a regular basis. But, it IS legal to buy an Eye-One and calibrate the monitors of others.

Mike Isler
www.islerphoto.com
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Brian Light, Photographer
Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 1:56 PM on 03.08.05
->> Here is another place to check for "manual" monitor set up information.

http://www.normankoren.com/makingfineprints1A.html
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Heston Quan, Photographer
Long Beach | CA | | Posted: 1:59 PM on 03.08.05
->> Funny. I started this thread four months ago and I checked it two days ago just before I ordered a MonacoOptix (I lag, what can I say?). Now all of a sudden this thread is alive again.
Maybe my roommate's cat will rise from the dead two days from now if I get her a replacement cat today.
Thanks all for the info.
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