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Thomas B. Shea, Photographer
Pearland | TX | USA | Posted: 2:15 PM on 11.23.04
->> Does anyone have any experience with printroom.com?

I searched the archives but nothing came up.


Thomas
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John Kavouris, Photographer
Bartlett | IL | US | Posted: 2:19 PM on 11.23.04
->> I've used them with great results. Site is easy to use and they are good people to deal with.
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Juliann Tallino, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | usa | Posted: 2:21 PM on 11.23.04
->> Thomas,

When you do a search make sure you click on "all messages" in the 'posted when?' box, that will get you a whole slew of threads on this subject.
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Bob Ford, Photographer
Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 11.23.04
->> Here's just some of the results I found using "printroom" in the search box, and requesting "all messages".

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=12323
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=9849
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=9514
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=5490
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=4036
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=1662
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=1778
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Sandy Huffaker, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 2:27 PM on 11.23.04
->> Just got my first monthly check from them. They have been great to work with. I had a customer order an 8x10 and wanted a white border. When they got the print with no white border (because of size constraints), Printroom made them an 8x12 on their nickle. It was my error to not add the 8x12 to my price list but they took care of it and everyone was happy. Give them a shot, I think you and your customers will be pleased.
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Robert Caplin, Photographer, Student/Intern
Athens | OH | USA | Posted: 3:03 PM on 11.23.04
->> I'm a fan of Shutterfly.com.

Been with them for over a year now with my sports photography business
http://CaplinPhotography.com. Easy uploading, great customer service, the owner/creator is a SS member (http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=1263), and they now have direct deposit. Wonderful setup. I'm sure SS Member Howie McCormick and Joe Nicola will back me up.

Robert
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 3:51 PM on 11.23.04
->> I've used Printroom for a little over a year, with great results. Be sure and install the gallery managemnt utility if you plan on uploading a large number of images. The web interface is slow for batching, but the utility provided is very efficient, even if the UI is not as good as it could be.

For large events, they automatically generate thumbnails, upload them to your galleries, and notify you via email when an order is placed. The gallery manager has a button labeled "Check Orders" to query the info for you. If orders are pending, there is a separate menu item to select for uploading fullsize images (a poor UI design: once orders are found pending, why not automatically go to the upload dialog? Or change the "Check Orders" button to "Upload Images" ?)

In any case, the uploading is smooth, they handle credit cards, shipping, sales tax (if needed), etc.

They have custom profiles for their printers, but they also automatically adjust images that have embedded profiles.
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 6:13 PM on 11.23.04
->> I wish they would run a Christmas special discount pro account for starving sportsshooter.com members (hint, hint). I've been shopping around. I really need to do this.
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 7:04 PM on 11.23.04
->> Doug, the reason you're starving is because you haven't done this yet. :-)
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Scott Schaffrick, Photographer
Hurley | NY | USA | Posted: 9:20 PM on 11.23.04
->> Nothing but praise....
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Joe Nicola, Photographer
Fort Worth | TX | USA | Posted: 9:34 PM on 11.23.04
->> Doug,

You don't need a pro account to get started. I don't have one; I have the regular $99 a year thing (or whatever it was) and have made that many times over.

I shot a cheerleading competition on Sunday for, get this, about 6 minutes (two squads). Uploaded the photos five minutes after I got home and the next day I got an e-mail confirmation of a $130 order from one parent on one squad. In the last six months or so, I think I've gotten a check from Shutterfly every month, shooting one high school football game a week and an odd event here and there.

Go to my shutterfly page for sports and you can see how many albums I have up there (which is only in one gallery). I feel like I have enough space to do what I need to do and the Shutterfly folks are fantastic! I have ZERO complaints about Shutterfly. If anything were to go wrong, it's likely that I will have screwed up something and not them.

Anyway, just my two cents.

http://www.shutterfly.com/pro/nicola/sports
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Howie McCormick, Photographer
Proctorville | OH | USA | Posted: 10:20 PM on 11.23.04
->> Thomas,

I'm going to have to go with Caplin and Joe (sounds like a law firm). Anyhow, shutterfly.com has been great for me this past year in my sports photography business and the customer relations end is great. They really take to heart our suggestions and concerns. They have implemented several ProGallery users' ideas over the past year.

If you'd like to check my site, I've used frames in Microsoft FrontPage to lay it out and implement the Shutterfly galleries so that you never really leave my web site. Anyhow, the URL is:

http://www.thesmokinglens.com and then click on one of the school logo icons across the top and then "View Photos" and go from there.

Feel free to ask any questions. I'll do my best to answer.

HM

P.S. I should add that my check just came in today via my direct deposit... just so you know that is a payment option (very handy).
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Santa Ana | CA | USA | Posted: 11:11 PM on 11.23.04
->> Good people!
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Rick Rickman, Photographer
Laguna Niguel | CA | USA | Posted: 11:18 PM on 11.23.04
->> Thomas:

Printroom.com is one of the best professional operations I've ever had the pleasure to do business with. I have used them constantly for 3 years now and in that time I have never had a problem.

I have literally thousands of customers who have used the printroom service to order prints. There have been so few complaints that it's terrific. The printroom customer service is the best out there. If something comes up they are johnny on the spot to immediately get the problem resolved.

The print quality is tremendous! I have customers who order very large prints and the color of their 24x36 sizes are as good as the 8x10s. In fact you can count that the color saturation and hue will be identical in varying sizes

You can't beat these guys!

Rick
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 12:01 AM on 11.24.04
->> I use both Printroom and Photoreflect.

I've been using Printroom for more than a year now. There are times when follow through is an issue particularly with troublesome uploads. I would really like a little more communication when you have upload problems. According to high school parent/customers, the servers also have some reliability issues when it comes to viewing large previews. PSM uses an invisible cryptic method of synching photos and their previews. If you edit and re-save the original file, the link to the online file is broken. This is a problem if you want to add a copyright to the front of photos or need to tone the photo. They do have a way to manually upload the file, but I would like a way to repair the link within PSM.

By comparison to Photoreflect, PSM is slow. Photoreflect's software is a little more difficult to use, but the upload is incredibly fast and that makes it really gratifying to use. It also allows you to manage your prices and products independent offline, which also makes that part faster. I actually like the standard Photoreflect watermark better than Printroom's watermarks as well.

In the past I used dotphoto.com for some prints, but they were unsatisfactory. Prints I've received from Printroom have been good.
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Todd Olson, Photographer
Janesville | WI | usa | Posted: 9:49 AM on 11.24.04
->> I second Darren. I have a lot of trouble getting problems resolved. I have left emails and messages for a week straight before with no call back or response.
Todd
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Bob Thomas, Photographer
Round Rock | TX | USA | Posted: 11:34 AM on 11.24.04
->> I have been using Photoreflect since I began going Pro earlier this year and have had all good experiences. The software is not bad once you use it some. Fast, editable, and tracks all phases of the workflow. A tremendous tool and I have had no issues with them, only user mishaps (me)..
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 12:05 PM on 11.24.04
->> Darren, I re-edit images all the time, and never have a problem with "broken" links. Perhaps this is an OS specific issue. In fact, I re-edit EVERY image, because I don't do final sharpening until I know the print size(s) ordered.
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Thomas B. Shea, Photographer
Pearland | TX | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 11.24.04
->> Can a few of you list your printroom.com web page so I can see what you are charging and what type of images you are selling on line?

Thanks,

Thomas
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 1:29 PM on 11.24.04
->> http://my-photos-online.com

It has my latest event, Pacific Coast Sectional Championships, which were held in Escondido, CA. about ten days ago. To date I've had about $2200 in sales from that event.
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Robert McClory, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 2:02 PM on 11.24.04
->> Thomas,

Here is my Printroom page:

http://www.printroom.com/ghome.asp?domain_name=kickshots

I have a link directly to the galleries from my website so the customer never sees that front end but there it is if you want to see it.
As for their service, I can address it overall and as a Mac user having been with them for about a year and a half now and having been with Photoreflect (on the PC) for a year before that.
If you are a Mac user, which from some of the posts you have made on SS, you are, then you have very few choices out there. Photoreflect does not fully support the Mac and the little support they offer in the way of software is not enough to make them a viable option, and unless someone has info I don't know about, that can be said for all the other major services out there (web-based uploading will not work for 2000 images).
So, that brings us back to Printroom. Their PSM software is OSX native and works well for what it does. This has not always been the case and it has lead to much frustration on my part but finally they have addressed many of the issues brought up by me and others using their service.
Now I have very little problem uploading hundereds/thousands of images from an event and almost no connection timeouts (the major issue in the past).
Using their PSM software you can create, upload and manage your galleries but you still need to use their web-based tools to create pricing structures and modify most other aspects of your site.
As for editing post-upload, I recently noticed that you can go on the web and when checking your orders (you can do this from the PSM or on the web) for what high-rez you need to upload to fill the order (you only upload thumbs when you create a PSM gallery), you can manually "browse" to an image on your hard drive and it will upload it to use as the high-rez wether it matches the original thumbnail or not. This now gives me the ability to edit/crop/add text, whatever before I upload. Of course, this could be prohibaive if you need to fill huge numbers of orders with many images that need correcting, but for me with my typical order not exceeding more than 10-20 images, it works well. I agree with Darren that this has been an issue but between PSM doing a better job "knowing" that a modified image is still the same image, and this new (at least I think it's new) web-based upload option, you can work around it.
As for print quality, I have never had a complaint. 'Nuff said.
Lastly, the customer support is good but used to be better. Frankly, when I first started they were best I had ever worked with, but as they have grown, naturally the response time is not what it used to be and I have found that they seem less willing to think outside the box than they used to when addressing concerns. Please don't get me wrong, they are still good, but you now have to wait maybe a day for a response that used to take less than a day.
Overall, I think between the Mac support/software, print quality and good service, they are the best option out there. I am open to hear from other members with differeing opinions but that is mine.
I hope this provided you some insight and if you have any questions, please feel to email me.

RM
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Howie McCormick, Photographer
Proctorville | OH | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 11.24.04
->> I forgot to mention that with Shutterfly, you can add a few different styles of copyrights; either the word PROOF (transparent or non-transparent) right across the middle or you could use it in the four corners. ALSO, you can do the copyright (C).

They have an online sales tool that is available 24/7 so that you can see when orders have been shipped, what even the photos were ordered from and it even provides a link that goes to a small image of the photo that sold. There is a downloadable spreadsheet that breaks down how many of each print size you have sold and how much money has been earned from each.

You also have a "Gallery Performance Tool" which shows you which galleries and albums have been the most profitable.

HM
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Northwood | OH | USA | Posted: 2:27 PM on 11.24.04
->> http://www.exposuremanager.com is another good solution for MAC based photographers.
They utilize FTP to upload photos. You establish your file structure on your hard drive and then FTP the folders. You then go online and process the files into a gallery. So for each event you create a gallery and set the prices. The folders processed into that event automatically create sub galleries with the folder name. So if you have a tournament with three games, you put each game into a folder on your hard drive and then FTP that. You process folders into the gallery and you have three games in that gallery with the same names as your folder. You can upload full-size files, which it will automatically print when the order is placed, or you can upload thumbnails. If you upload thumbnails, it will send you an e-mail asking for the photos. You then ftp the full-size, corrected files, and process them and the orders go out.
The support is great, in fact many of the recent (and yet to be documented changes) to better support event photographers were a result of a dinner with the owner during the Luau.
There are a lot of different options in displaying your images in the galleries from the type of watermark, where it is placed, etc... You can also pick the thumbnail and large view sizes.
The only downside is if you are going to upload thumbnails, you have to make them on your own, but this is done easily in photo mechanic.
They charge a minimal fee each year ranging from 50 to 75 (based on bandwidth usage) and have a 30 day trial so you can use them for a smaller event or a test event so you can test it before you pay the fee.
If you are selling and making money for yourself and them, they are not anal about the exact bandwidth usage, but if you are not selling but hosting a lot of images which are generating a lot of views but few sales, you'll probably be asked to pay more or remove some images.
Its worth a look.
Mike
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Robert McClory, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 2:47 PM on 11.24.04
->> Howie,

I like some of the features you talk about with Shutterfly but do they support the Mac with some sort of bulk upload/managment software?

RM
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Northwood | OH | USA | Posted: 3:37 PM on 11.24.04
->> Robert,
I have used Shutterfly, and the answer is no. It is web-based uploading and you have to upload one gallery at a time. So if you want to upload 10 different games from a tourney, you have to do the first game, then do the second game, then the third... That is, for me, one of the biggest minuses of the service. If I shoot 40 games in a weekend, I want to batch upload them Sunday night and go to bed and find them uploaded in the morning. With Shutterfly, you have to do a game at a time. That makes for a long night.
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Wade Aiken, Photographer
Bradford | Pa | USA | Posted: 7:04 PM on 11.24.04
->> http://www.printroom.com/pro/arcane40

I've had very good results with my motocross work.
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Lance Dildine, Photographer
Redwood City | CA | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 11.24.04
->> Small correction to above: If one shoots 40 games (or lets just say a heck of a lot of photos) you may upload all those photos at the same time into your Shutterfly Account en masse (using the Shutterfly Express upload tool or the online plug-in). As mentioned you can simply do this overnight and wake up in the morning and see that the upload was successful. Then once its in your Shutterfly "Well" or Album Area then you decide which albums will be published over into your Pro Gallery(s) - and this is done Gallery by Gallery but is easy to do in batch mode. I just wanted to make this very clear to everyone so you can make an informed decision on where to spend your time and money. Thanks, Lance - Pro Gallery founder/architect/mgr. ps: don't forget the sportsshooter member deal; if you do sign up with us: 10 gigs of storage space (or more if you need)just send me a quick email if you do so I can upgrade you.
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John Strohsacker, Photographer
Towson | MD | USA | Posted: 7:10 PM on 11.24.04
->> Thomas,

I have been very happy with Shutterfly.com progalleries. Been using SFPG since March 2003 and they have processed and fulfilled over a thousand orders for me. Very user friendly. Lance and Amanda @ SFPG are great to work with and open to listen to many suggestions. Worth considering. Drop Lance an e-mail from his SS page:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=1263
Good Luck!

John
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Northwood | OH | USA | Posted: 7:44 PM on 11.24.04
->> Lance,
I apologize if I posted some misinformation, but my question is how would you upload 2000 photos divided into 10 different albums (games) at one time?
I can upload 2000 photos into one album, but I would like to upload the photos already separated into 10 different albums (games)? Because you can't shoot 10 games on a day and expect the parents to look through all the images. You want to upload, already separated the 10am game, the noon game, the 2pm game, etc...
Does this option exist and I am not aware of it? If any regular Shutterfly users knows the answer that would be great also.
Thanks
Mike
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 8:10 PM on 11.24.04
->> Have any of these services had any problem with selling NCAA college sports pics? I would like to start offering Div I football photos for one or two area colleges to players and their families, probably with a separate password just for those folks, if that's do-able.
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 2:41 AM on 11.25.04
->> Doug, both Printroom and Shutterfly give you the option of password protecting individual galleries.

Why not visit printroom.com and shutterfuly.com and see for yourself?

Come on in - the water's fine!
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Robert Smith, Photographer
Brandon | MS | USA | Posted: 12:27 AM on 11.26.04
->> Thomas: Our company http://www.photoadrenaline.com is fairly happy with Printroom. We have had some glitches here and there but they usually handle things in a timely manner.

Bob
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 11.26.04
->> Doug,

I suggest you work closely with the two schools you're shooting. Div II rules allow us to sell photos if we're sanctioned by the school. However, my school has begun using this acronym "FERPA" and it sounds rediculously scary. Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA)Good luck, be sure to CYA.
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Chris Doane, Photographer
Saginaw | MI | USA | Posted: 1:36 AM on 11.27.04
->> For prints between 11x14 - 40x60 from an online lab, they just dont get any better than from Jumbo Giant

http://www.jumbogiant.com
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Jim Fridenmaker, Photographer
Portsmouth | OH | USA | Posted: 6:04 AM on 11.28.04
->> Here's my experience. I presently use http://www.exposuremanager.com which I think I heard about from Mike Brice posting about it in an original thread when they were still beta. Thanks Mike!!! (I wish I would have realized the owner was at the Luau.)

Last year I signed up with printroom.com which, at the time, was ahead of shutterfly.com on a "simple", but important thing to me, watermarking images with copyright notice, backprinting copyright notice on prints, and possibly right-click protection. (Yes, I realize they have all those features now, but didn't have them all in the fall of 2003.) Printroom.com was great for fulfillment, but horrible uploads timeout using their web-based tool uploads. (Don't let anyone ever fool you that web-based uploads are the way to go; they all suck!) I finally got around to upgrading my computers (formerly Windows 98, 3 years old) to XP and got the gallery software download. Much better, so if a picture timed out, it would retry. But I lost a directory of images on my hard drive when I deleted it from printroom and it "synced" deleting the original images from my computer. That sucked. Don't _ever_ touch my hard drive.

So, I wanted stable, reliable uploads (from 1973 (!) FTP technology). I used to work at an ISP and FTP is great. Uploads that used to go bad, I've had every event up the same evening so far this season. (While I sleep; imagine that! No more "babysitting".) Exposuremanager.com fits the bill; lots of customization options; viewing statistics down to the "picture" level; gallery by gallery customization; nesting, or not of galleries. So far, I've only used them for "self-fulfillment", but they use EZ-Prints just like Printroom at least (and possibly shutterfly, too.) Good backend for tracking customer orders, Donovan (programmer) has been extremely responsive to feature requests. And, also helpful, to give me feedback on how best to switch between self-fulfillment and exposuremanager.com fulfillment so I can switch back and forth, at will, as my schedule permits. A customer can purchase photos from every gallery as part of the same order; not all services allow that.

Now, of course, this is just one persons experience. Chris Hooks with printroom.com was cool, too about the possibility of me writing a "back-end shopping cart" and hosting the images on my site to get FTP. But very little space from the service itself; though I could always buy more, of course. And Lance has a great deal on space for sportsshooter.com members which is great!

Feel free to email me with any questions about exposuremanager.com or it's free trial. I've just touched on a few features important to me. Mike touched on a bunch more. Everyone is going to have an opinion and this isn't intended to be an "online sales" equivilent of "Canon vs. Nikon"; try em out, see if they meet your needs and go with the one that's best for you.

Jim
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Jim Fridenmaker, Photographer
Portsmouth | OH | USA | Posted: 6:07 AM on 11.28.04
->> Ugh, sorry, forgot to add this to my last message.

Mike Brice likes exposuremanager.com for Mac users; I'm a PC user and equally satisfied.

The key, for me, is uploads go smooth because they use FTP.

Jim
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DJ Werner, Photographer
Beaufort | NC | USA | Posted: 11:41 AM on 11.28.04
->> I'm very happy with printroom...

my customers keep asking "when will they have a slideshow I can watch- rather than go into each one over and over"

other than that I am very satisfied...

and as far as slow uploads....as has been said over and over... high speed cable modem is a necessary piece of equipment for any digital photog who is serious about high volume uploads...

so I see that more as the responsibility on the photographers end rather than the host....

Dj
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 1:13 AM on 12.01.04
->> I just got my Christmas wish!

I have a Printroom.com pro account and online storefront! (Who ever said you never get anything by whining and complaining?) As a result of this thread, I was offered a free pro account by the fine folks at Printroom, and I'm told this offer is open to ALL SPORTSSHOOTER.COM MEMBERS! If you ever wanted to give this a try, this is the perfect opportunity.

Here's a copy (with permission) of the invitation I received, which is open to all sportsshooter members:

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An Open Letter to Doug

In recent forum posting, you asked Printroom.com to consider offering a holiday discount for our online stores. We are fans of Sportsshooter.com and support what you are doing. We have never been adverse to accepting a good idea from photographers --especially self-described starving Sportsshooter.com photographers. We think there is no better discount than a 100% discount and would like to offer you and other professional photographers of Sportsshooter.com a free online store. This is a $99.00 value and is only valid for the month of December, 2004.

We appreciate the good words you and others have said about us in Sportshooter.com forums and are happy to return your goodwill by this gift of a free online Printroom.com store.

To take advantage of this Holiday gift, go to our registration page at
https://www.printroom.com/proRegisterUser.asp and enter the following referral code in the appropriate box at the bottom of the page: sportsshooterpromo (be sure to click to the right of the box after you enter the code).

Yes, Doug, there is a Santa Claus.

Chris Hooks | Sales Manager | Printroom.com

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How cool is that? Now I just gotta go out and photogize some stuff to sell at my printroom.com store!

Doug
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Louis Lopez, Photographer
Ontario | CA | USA | Posted: 1:33 AM on 12.01.04
->> Thanks to all the folks at printroom.com for a great Christmas Gift, the gift that will continue to give throughout the year!!!
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Wynn Rujiraviriyapinyo, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 5:45 AM on 12.01.04
->> That is a very generous offer from Printroom - thank you!
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Mark Scheuern, Photographer
Grand Blanc | MI | USA | Posted: 8:35 AM on 12.01.04
->> More evidence that they're a great bunch at Printroom. Thanks!

Doug, maybe the note from Printroom should be re-copied and given its own thread with a title like "Free Printroom Pro Account" so more people will see it?

Mark
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Rusty Burroughs, Photographer
Matthews | NC | United States | Posted: 9:02 AM on 12.01.04
->> Saw the promo for Printroom.com and decided to give it a try. I just signed up for my free Printroom.com pro account with no problems. How cool is that try it for a year free, can't beat that deal....thanks for the headsup Doug.
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Thomas B. Shea, Photographer
Pearland | TX | USA | Posted: 10:00 AM on 12.01.04
->> Doug,

Where is the referal code?

Thomas
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Jeff Frings, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 10:15 AM on 12.01.04
->> Does that mean that all of us who have had a printroom pro account for a while and paid full price get a refund?
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 10:25 AM on 12.01.04
->> Do you get a refund after booking a flight and the price comes down? Do you get a refund when you buy a gallon of milk and the next day they have a sale?
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Mike Brice, Photographer
Northwood | OH | USA | Posted: 11:48 AM on 12.01.04
->> When you buy something at Circuit City, Best Buy or other major retailer, you can get credit for the difference if the item goes on sale with 10 or 30 days depending on the retailer.
I think the fair thing for Printroom to do would be to provide Printroom customers who are Sports Shooter members $100 worth of extra storage - an additional 500 MB up from the standard 300MB. That would eliminate the refund issue and provide something of value to those who signed up before the offer was free.
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Robert McClory, Photographer
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 12:20 PM on 12.01.04
->> Ooops, there goes a can of worms for Printroom...good luck...

RM

P.S. I am still waiting for my Championship (insert league here) DVD from Sports Illustrated for being a loyal subscriber for a decade..er..oh, yea, they only give those to the new guys. Damn!
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Sue Jarrett, Photographer
Beaufort | SC | USA | Posted: 12:24 PM on 12.01.04
->> Hey, printroom.com is doing a great service to new accounts from ss.com. Don't cry sour grapes if you already have an account and didn't get the freebie. I bet even if you don't meet their minimum in sales they will give you next year for free.
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 1:35 PM on 12.01.04
->> Thomas, the promo code is in the text of the message, but it does get kinda burried in this format.

sportsshooterpromo

That's it! And be sure and click on the promo link to the right of it before you submit the application. Then after you submit the whole application you should see confirmation that the charge is zero dollars, instead of the usual $99.
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Santiago Chuck, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 3:34 PM on 12.01.04
->> NICE!! Thanks Printroom.com
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