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Calling all Student Photographers
Kyle Nosal, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 10:26 AM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> I am the new photo editor for the school paper at the University of Oklahoma and i was just told that I have somewhat of a travel budget to go to away football games. I was wondering what kind of travel budgets students at other papers have around the country? My editor asked me to find out what other schools arae doing in the hopes of increasing our budget. So if you could all let me know... It might be helpful. Thanks. |
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Collin Pierson, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 11:51 AM on 08.24.04 |
->> SLIM TO NONE- despite a hefty tuition charge to everybody....
Marquette University |
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Shaun Stewart, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Austin | TX | USA | Posted: 11:56 AM on 08.24.04 |
->> Hey Kyle, and Howdy from the photo desk at The Daily Texan! We have a travel budget, I'm not sure of the exact figures, but if I'm not mistaken it's travel and lodging for two reporters and two photographers to every away football game. I'll ask our ME about the numbers and get back to you...
~Shaun |
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 12:15 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> At my school paper, we pretty much couldn't afford to give anything. We were 8k circulation 3 days a week with virtually no advertising before they lowered the print after I left. We did, however, try to find money a few times for the ones that you knew were actually trying to learn and make a career out of it. There's always the people trying to get credentials to the "big" games or the ones with better schools on their homecomings, but you *know* when you've got one that's honestly working toward a respectable portfolio.
So we'd skimp here, save there, maybe hold back on a computer upgrade that everyone is always complaining about, figure out the cheapest way we can them there and hash it out. Every game is a completely different scenario. Sure, one aspect of the newsroom sacrifices for the sake of learning. That's one of the reasons it's there.
Sorry I couldn't be more specific. Basically we had to figure it out each time because we were always struggling with money. If someone in ads hit the jackpot with a car dealership, we had more to play (teach) with. If half the paper was in-house PSAs, our photographers were out of luck. |
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Donald Meyerson, Photographer
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Waco | TX | USA | Posted: 12:19 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> When I was w/ the Baylor Lariat there was no travel budget. However, if it was a big game/event I could usually talk our director into picking up my travel tab as long as I brought back all my receipts. They picked up my expenses several times and the fact that I would always stay w/ a friend in the town I was visiting and avoid a hotel charge was always a good selling point. |
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Thad Parsons, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:30 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> At The Chronicle at Duke, the travel budget is pretty large. They send two reporters and a photographer to all away games for football, men's basketball, women's basketball, plus several other sporting events (like ACC tourneys & etc).
If it was a flight, they paid the FULL ticket cost for all people. If it was a drive (and this generally would fall under the three hour rule - except for Clemson and Maryland games), they would reimburse at some measly rate like $0.22.
For meals, it was generally the 3, 5, 7 plan (aka $15 a day) - which is not that bad considering that many trips you could spend it on a single meal because of the schedule.
Also, we got the mileage reimburse for ANY trips that we made for the paper as long as you could provide documentation (aka written mileage report).
Hope this helps! |
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Sam Cooper, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Oxford | OH | USA | Posted: 12:39 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> At Miami University (here in Oxford, OH), we have no travel budget whatsoever. I am still working on getting the paper to buy a camera. |
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Chris Schwegler, Photographer
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Brighton | MI | USA | Posted: 12:41 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> When i was with the Eastern Echo, Eastern Michigan University's paper, there wasnt really a travel budget. If the event needed to be covered you would get reimburse for what you spent to cover the game; food, travel time, rentals and what not.
I havent been there in a few years, so it might have changed now.
chris
schwegweb.com |
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Brian Jackson, Photographer, Photo Editor
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South San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> Shaun- You mean the TSP photo budget is more than free gas from the Univ gas station across 1-35 and use of the blue bomber? (the 'Vette we had use of...78 Chevette!) :-D |
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Kyle Nosal, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 12:58 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> Thad-
Do you get any sort of donations or is your budged only from advertisements? We get gas and lodging paid for, but i don't know of any time that a flight ticket was paid for. It would be interesting if we could get that... especially with the OU/Duke Mens basketball game in December. From Oklahoma, NY is a hell of a drive (i've done it-2 days, 12 hours of driving each day) |
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Rob Kandel, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Jericho | NY | United States | Posted: 1:16 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> Budget? I am lucky when I get someone else that has a camera on campus. I am the photo editor and entire photo staff of the great Muhlenberg Weekly. The whole topic gets me really jealous |
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Thad Parsons, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> The Chronicle is an Independent Daily Student Newspaper that is run on advertisement money. So, the sort answer to your question is that all expenses at The Chronicle has to come from advertising.
Just to let you know, when the basketball team goes to places like Hawaii or Alaska or ..., we even send people (at least one).
The paper believes that it is an educational institution and so, traveling and provided its staff (esp. photographers) with professional equipment is part of that education - since Duke does not have any PJ or J-school type classes. (Also, I feel that I need to add, that the paper is truly independent from the University and has a long-term deal with Duke for distribution and space rental.)
Okay, now that everyone is thinking that The Chronicle is so cool, here is the bad news about it. There are two big things: 1) all staff is volunteer and 2) they claim (rightfully or wrongly is questionable) the copyright to all work students produce for the paper.
But I enjoyed my time at the paper and they gave me some chances to cover events that I would have never been able to cover at this point in my life. |
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Jim Comeau, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 1:59 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> no budget whatsoever |
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JP Beato III, Student/Intern, Photographer
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College Station | TX | USA | Posted: 2:19 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> at texas a&m... the paper pays for hotel and airfare for 1 reporter and 1 photog for all away football games and all postseason games in all sports...
if it's a close drive, then we get paid for mileage...
if any other photogs want to go, we usually turn it into the ultimate college roadtrip: eating at gas stations, sleeping in cars or packing 10 people in a hotel room...
we don't get a food budget... |
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Chris Jordan, Photographer
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Whitefish | MT | USA | Posted: 3:12 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> The University of Washington Daily is an independent-student run paper. The paper pays its staff for their work, and it pays for travel as well. All money comes from ad revenues. Typically, a reporter and a photog cover all away football games. Driving distance games were traveled to in the paper's car, flying was on the paper's budget. Hotels and rental cars were covered by the paper's budget too. Some of my buddies got a Mustang at the USC game! Meals were paid for with a per diem amount, I think it was between 15 and 25 bucks. During basketball season the paper only covers big tourney's since, traditionally, UW isn't a great powerhouse on the court. Although remeber the name Nate Robinson, and look for the Huskies to make a serious run in the NCAAs.
A school like Oklahoma should defintely send at least a reporter and a photog to all of the school's football games. Those are bigtime events that provide young journalists the opportunity to work alongside and learn from some of the best in the business.
Chris |
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alyssa schukar, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Lincoln | NE | United States | Posted: 3:53 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> kyle.
i am at the university of nebraska-lincoln paper, so we probably are in similar situations. the paper is for the most part sponsored by advertisement. to away games, we send two reporters and usually one photographer. when we go down to the oklahoma game (and probably see you on the sidelines, eh?), we'll likely send two shooters. now, gas expenses are covered, but that's pretty measly. the paper also pays for one room, which sort of sucks. but it's better than paying for it myself, right?
we also send shooters to a couple other athletic events throughout the year. our budget is not huge, so we have to be careful. but if we want to make a trip somewhere, we talk to the managing editor, and he's usually pretty reasonable and willing to work something out.
hope that helps. feel free to email.
alyssa. |
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Tyson Evans, Student/Intern, Assistant
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:54 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> At UCLA we send two reporters and a photographer to every away game of men's basketball and football. We'll send one writer and photographer to the championship games of our other sports.
We also dedicate some travel money to news and entertainment travel.
Like Duke, we're independent of the university and rely on advertising revenue. |
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Nic Hume, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Victoria | BC | Canada | Posted: 4:10 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> The Martlet (http://www.martlet.ca) has a travel budget of exactly $0... We have to fund-raise to make enough money to go to CUP (the canadian university press wire service) conferences. We've got a circ. of 8 - 10 000 once a week (only monthly during the summer) and getting enough $$$ together for things like paying the staff is difficult enough.
The ONLY paper-owned camera is a little Canon digital elph that doesn't even shoot high enough rez. for cover (we publish in tabloid format) which leaves me using all of my personal gear for work. To top things off, we're based on Vancouver Island. Even an away game over at UBC or SFU costs $150 or more just in ferry fees to get over to, so we almost exclusively rely on wire feed from CUP for those games...
Just a thought, but as I mentioned, we *DO* fund-raise a bit to try and get $$$ for conferences... Soliciting a few donations might make some sense for you guys... Of course, being a media outlet you DO need to be very careful about where those donations come from etc, but with some careful thought it's doable...
--Nic |
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Deng-Kai Chen, Photo Editor, Student/Intern
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Orange County | CA | USA | Posted: 5:03 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> The Daily Californian is independent but we somehow manage to have a small travel budget. We send one writer and photog to every away football game and to some away basketball games. If a team does well and goes to a championship level game we try to cover it as well.
And Tyson, I thought the Daily Bruin wasn't independent? |
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Jason Kindig, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 5:34 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> UNT's paper is an independent as well. Though the pay isn't great, they still will let us rent big glass and pay mileage to go to most of the out of town games (no flying, the staff lear jet's broken...) We usually send 1-2 photogs and 2 reporters, and share a hotel room. I think we even get money for food. I'd say with the kind of athletics OU has, they should be more than willing to send you guys all over the place to cover sports. *btw* I'm shooting our season opener at UT in two weeks, so hopefully i'll see some of you austin cats around... |
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Thad Parsons, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 5:58 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> Kyle,
Got a couple of questions -
Does the paper provide gear?
How often do you publish? Daily? Weekly?
Does the paper have an in-house advertising department that does design work?
The reason I ask is this-
If your paper provides equipment* and publishes daily (or Monday-Friday), then you have a stronger case to ask for a travel budget (use of equipment and experience of working on deadline). Plus, if your paper has a full-service advertising department, then your ad revenue should be higher.
* Equipment means a full kit for at least a couple of people including at least one long lens. For example, when covering events for The Chronicle, I had two bodies (D1s or D1Hs), 70-200/2.8, short primes, and a 300/2.8 (if needed) - all supplied by the paper. |
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Dustin Snipes, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Cheney | Wa | United States | Posted: 6:07 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> I wish our paper supplied that kinda gear the only thing we have is a Digital Rebel w/18-55 (the kit) a 70-300 IS, and a couple p&s.
I guess that is better than some, i just wished they supplied the long glass. That would go great with the new 20d!
We dont really have a travel budget because last year we spent 10,000 going to a confrence in Las Vegas. Which was cool, but they took to many people.
We did send someone to the NCAA tourny for basketball. But it was the sports editor.
Dont you think they should have sent a photographer instead of a writer? I am still kinda mad about that.
I work for a weekly (with a game day issue) that recently tried to upgrade to a 3 day a week paper. But no dice. Stupid administrators. |
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Jim Comeau, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 6:16 PM on 08.24.04 |
| ->> Any travel we do is on the team bus, or on our own. We don't travel very far though. Last year our women's basketball team went to San Diego for the state championship. As for equipment, we have 2 old Olympus digital cameras (1mp) 3 or 4 Canon G2's, and 2 Canon A-1's along with some normal lenses, a 300 f4 and a 400 f5.6. I do believe we have a Speed Graphlex as well. I have my digital stuff, but I think a lot of other students feel disadvantaged since they don't have digital. Our paper just bought 6 Apple G5 computers so that set back our budget quite a bit. |
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Kyle Nosal, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 11:16 PM on 08.24.04 |
->> The Oklahoma Daily IS a daily paper(monday-friday) and we do have an in house advertising staff.
We just got a new shipment of equipment, to bring the total to 3 D1x's, 1 D100, 80-200 f/2.8, 28-70 f/2.8, 300 f/4.
We do have a small travel budget to travel to away football games, and some of the big men's basketball games.
I'm still waiting for he director to ge tback to me with exact numbers, but this is some good feed back to take to my editor. Thanks a lot everyone. It's always interesting to hear what the environment other people work in. |
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Nick West, Student/Intern
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Gainesville | Fl | USA | Posted: 12:59 AM on 08.25.04 |
->> It's nice to know that The Alligator in Gainesville isn't the only paper to be in this boat.
The student paper for UF is also totally independent, and all revenue is collected through advertising. We have a very limited budget enough to send 7 writers, yes 7 to all away football games and two photog's as well. Most of the travel is driving unless it's more than 10 hrs. away. The only other travel is to bowl games, and to the SEC and NCAA tourney. And every now and then the occasional news story somewhere in the state. Getting money is like pulling teeth with the paper.
-Nick |
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Matt Strasen, Photographer
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Stillwater | OK | USA | Posted: 1:07 AM on 08.25.04 |
->> Nick,
What do 7 college writers do at an away football game??? |
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Scott Bort, Student/Intern, Assistant
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Champaign | il | USA | Posted: 1:54 AM on 08.25.04 |
->> The Daily Illini is an Ind. student newspaper of the Univ of illinois. Our budget is especially tight, but since most big ten schools are in the midwest, we generally drive to the games but will be able to get a hotel room if the situation deems it necessary. We have a company vehicle for transport, and rarely is it that we fly out somewhere, and it is even more rare that we would miss the coverage on a game. We generally send two reporters and 1-2 photogs. For closer games (Purdue, Indiana) we may send more if the demand is there.
Also, if any of the big ten photogs are traveling to the U of I - drop me a line and i'll try to help as needed. |
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Daniel Horan, Student/Intern, Photographer
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St. Bonaventure | NY | USA | Posted: 10:03 AM on 08.25.04 |
->> At Bonaventure, we don't have a dedicated travel budget, but rather take from our general operating fund to cover costs of A-10 Tourney Coverage. They usually send 2 writers and a photog to cover it.
Slowly we've been establishing some pool gear. A 10D, a P/S, and a digital rebel on the way. I used to just shoot with my own gear though.
Happy Shooting,
dan |
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John Gwillim, Student/Intern, Photographer
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East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 10:21 AM on 08.25.04 |
| ->> When I shot at the State News at Michigan State University we had a good travel budget and di cover every away football and men's basketball game, plus a few others. I do not know that we had a specific budget for any event, but they covered all costs basically. That included a rental car and gas, or a plane ticket sometimes, hotel room(s), maybe $30 or so a day for food, i cannot really remember there. |
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Kyle Robertson, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Athens | Oh | | Posted: 11:11 AM on 08.25.04 |
| ->> At the Post in Athens, Ohio we have a some what ok travel budget when its football season and a so-so one when its basketball season. For the away games in football season we send 2 writers and 1 photog. We have to drive to most of the games, and the person who is driving the car gets .37 a mile, and thats adds up fast. In the end it pays for the gas and gives the person driving the car some pocket money. We have also had to fly atleast once a year, and we don't have to pay for that because Ohio U. rents out a plane and there is always room for the media to go. But once we get there we have to pay for the hotel, and then fill out all the paper work when we get back and get that money back in 4 weeks or so. But if you are driving to the games you should get money for each mile that you drive. Hope that helps |
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Joe Faraoni, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Ypsilanti | MI | USA | Posted: 11:31 AM on 08.25.04 |
->> I'm ME at The Eastern Echo, Eastern Michigan University's student newspaper and we dont get a traveling budget. We play the Gators at the swamp in a few weeks and I had to compromise with my director. I told him that I would pay for my way there if he rented me a 400 or 500mm lens and the deal was made.
If we drive somewhere we get mileage payed for- i think its about $0.365/mile. I have also had a hotel payed for by the newspaper.
We are completely independent from the universtiy so all our money comes from advertising and more often then not we have no money left for anything extra. |
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Matt Hevezi, Photo Editor
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Camp Pendleton | CA | USA | Posted: 1:26 PM on 08.25.04 |
| ->> When I attended Syracuse University's Military Photojournalism program there was, from what I recall, a stringer budget for out-of-pocket expenses for those shooting assignments for the Daily Orange. But if there was an important assignment that had value to the paper and the journalism department, there were ways to get funds to complete such an assignment. The journalism department was willing to fund certain out-of-state, and in rare instances out-of-country, stories if it was deemed important enough and sold well in a detailed proposal. I don't know if that still is the case today, but I will ask. |
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Nick West, Student/Intern
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Gainesville | Fl | USA | Posted: 11:36 PM on 08.25.04 |
->> Matt- They work as "corrospondents" for other dailies around the state and collect a pay check on our dime from those dailies, which sucks b/c we can't even convince the board of directors to cut the travel on these others and help out the phot dept. with new gear.
On another note,
Joe shoot me an e-mail and let me know if you need anything while visiting the Swamp, be ready its going to be hot and muggy.
If anything depending on my schedule we can grab an adult beverage. Just drop me a note.
Nick |
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