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Mark II Eye Pieces Jumping Off The Cameras
Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 2:46 PM on 06.18.04
->> What am I doing wrong? The eye pieces on the Canon 1D's snapped on pretty snuggly and securely. I lost zero in two years using the cameras.

Now, in the first month or so with the Mark II's, I have already lost two of the eye pieces and really haven't used the cameras that fast and furious.

Out of the box, the eye pieces on all the cameras I have been issued have not snapped down into a locking position when pushed down on the channels. This is not an issue with just one body but the same for numerous Mark II bodies.

Other than the super sensitive verticle release talked about in previous threads, the eye piece issue seems small time when looking at the overall coolness of the new camera but is still a major pain. Without that eye piece, the diopter control--which already gets jostled around quite a bit on both the 1D and the Mark II--constantly needs adjusting back to the desired setting when walking with the cameras on your shoulder and rubbing the little round correction knob on your hip. It would be nice to be able to lock that setting down.

Any ideas or simple fixes I just am missing? Or is this a common problem?
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 2:49 PM on 06.18.04
->> Jack:

I had the same problem with my DCS520, the groove the eye piece slips into was just a hair to wide to secure the eye piece on. The best way to secure the eye piece on (which was oddly enough confirmed by CPS) was to put a strip of Gaffers tape over the top.

I have Gaffers over the top of all my eye pieces now, never lost one yet.
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Rob Bradley, Student/Intern
Raleigh | NC | USA | Posted: 2:54 PM on 06.18.04
->> ditto to what Steven said
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Trent Nelson, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 3:02 PM on 06.18.04
->> I haven't had this problem on either of the two 1d Mark II's I've used for the past 45 days. I've been worried about the thing popping off all along, but they have remained clicked into place.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 3:10 PM on 06.18.04
->> Thanks....

Funny thing is that I had no problem with the first generation 1D. Now the things are like trying to hold on to a squirming fish.

Yeah, the tape works and helps with the diopter movement problem but covering the diopter with gaffers always makes me wonder if the diopter has moved or not unseen under the tape. So I pull up the tape and see that diopter is fine or has moved and now the tape is toast and need to replace it again.

I guess my problem with the tape is keeping up with it when pulling the pieces on and off for things like raincovers or cleaning. I am constantly cleaning the viewfinder due to dusty conditions and pulling the eyepieces off is the best way of getting in there to clean.

I guess it is just an issue that I will have to deal with and carry a few spares with me. Just seems silly that tape would be the only answer Canon can come up with to fix a problem on a new camera.
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Robert Deutsch, Photographer
NY | NY | USA | Posted: 3:12 PM on 06.18.04
->> Yo..J..
the eyepiece and finder are the same in the MarkII as the 1d...no change.
You probably just forgot that you had them taped up before:)
I forgot to do it on one of the new ones and lost the eyepiece, so immediately gaffered it up.
Maybe Baghdad dust kept yours on before:)
or something else.... :)
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 3:19 PM on 06.18.04
->> Yo...R

That is exactly what I thought too. The eye pieces seem to be the same but under some pretty scientific and precise testing here at the SportsShooter Labs in California, neither myself or the SS tech expert Dr. Grover can get them to lock down on any of the Mark II's.

Quote from Dr. Grover...."yeah but on the old ones it didn't do this...."
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Nic Hume, Photographer, Photo Editor
Victoria | BC | Canada | Posted: 3:36 PM on 06.18.04
->> After losing *4* eyepieces from my D100 I finally found the ultimate solution:

Superglue.

I don't know about the canon cameras, but the D100 eyepiece is low-profile enough that it doesn't really interfere with my ability to clean off my viewfinder. And as long as your CAREFUL with it, the diopter adjustment is actually held in place a little better by the tension from the eyepiece rubber...

--Nic
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 06.18.04
->> jack,

the eyepieces on my 1d bodies don't slip off at all.

send me your mark II's, and i'll trade you my 1d's.

deal? cool. thx.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 3:56 PM on 06.18.04
->> Rod...

Wow....great. What is your new address? I just have that temporary one at the Happy House Boutique and Wellness Center....

Was very glad to hear of your being able to "check out" and get back to business again.


jg
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 4:07 PM on 06.18.04
->> First thing I did was head to Filmtools in Burbank (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cinemasupplies/expendables.html) and get some small core gaffer tape in black (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cinemasupplies/adhesivetapes.html) so I could tape up the Mark II bodies ... ESPECIALLY the eye piece.

Since I wear glasses, this is VERY important to keep the camera from scratching them up.

I know PRM seems to shoot sans-rubber-eye-piece ... maybe he feels that his eye is closer to the viewfinder of something ... but I have this thing about always wanting the thing in place.

A piece of black gaffer does the trick! (Of course if you're Capt. Ron you'd use shocking pink or police-tape-yellow!!!)

The Kahuna.
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Duane Burleson, Photographer
Sterling Heights | MI | USA | Posted: 4:08 PM on 06.18.04
->> aah, the case of the slippery eye piece!
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Penn Camera, Photographer
Beltsville | MD | USA | Posted: 4:08 PM on 06.18.04
->> Must be why we've had a run on replacement 1D eyepieces....
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David Kalk, Photographer
Simpsonville | SC | USA | Posted: 4:24 PM on 06.18.04
->> I haven't had this problem at all. Now that you guys mention it though taping that bad boy on is the first thing I'm gonna do before I take it out for another shoot. Thanks for the warning.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 4:25 PM on 06.18.04
->> Ah Hah!

The perfect testing of this theory of the loosey goosey eyepiece. Thanks, Jeff. A run on eyepieces....very interesting.

jg
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David Griffin, Photographer
Concord | NC | | Posted: 4:51 PM on 06.18.04
->> I have had my 1D since October and gone through 5 eyepiece.
I guess thats what I get for only paying $2400 for it, new!
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Eliot Schechter, Photographer
Fort Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 5:06 PM on 06.18.04
->> One of MK IIs came without an eye piece all together. It's a right wing conspiracy. They require discipline. They have minds of their own. I little piece of tape will subdue and tame the wild eye piece. We cannot allow a mind shaft gap.
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Tim Huntington, Photographer
Santa Clara | CA | USA | Posted: 6:40 PM on 06.18.04
->> If you still have access to a 1D (and they are supposed to be the same part), try a 1D eye piece on the Mark II - if it snaps down, you have a solution (sort of - assuming you can keep the 1D eye piece!), if it doesn't, the camera changed.

Not the most helpful suggestion in this thread I know, but it's all I can muster.

Tim
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Clark Brooks, Photographer, Photo Editor
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 7:31 PM on 06.18.04
->> Another voter for gaffers tape, Jack. I lost and retrieved the one on my 1D twice in the same day the first day I had the thing on a shoot. Got home and gaffed it. The diopter dial is where it suppose to be and hasn't moved in the 9 or so months I've had it taped. Ditto for my 10D body which it was the first thing I did when I pulled it out of the box a year ago April.

I had two D2000 bodies and I lost three eye pieces before I read on this very site . . . use gaffer's tape.
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Daniel Bersak, Photographer, Photo Editor
Medford | MA | USA | Posted: 8:14 PM on 06.18.04
->> Jack-

I had the same problem with my 1D, and I also fixed it with gaff, however not in the traditional way. I cut a small square to cover the bottom right of the viewfinder, and a rectangle to cover the left (under the diopter). I then layered similar squares and rectangles until there was a pressure fit when the eyepiece slid over them. On the plus side, the tape and the eyepiece both stay put, and the camera looks clean (if you care about that sort of thing). On the minus side, sometimes the whole mess comes off when I take the eyepiece off, and I then have to pull it apart with my fingernails and restick it. Perhaps someone will come up with a dedicated product that does this, like the Wildeepz things from Radtech...

I hope this helps!

--Dan
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Ronal Taniwaki, Photographer
Torrance | CA | | Posted: 3:00 AM on 06.20.04
->> NO NO NO DO NOT USE SUPERGLUE............

The fumes cause corneal scaring. Even after it sets, the glue will continue to outgas.

Then you really will need the AF
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Richard Walker, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 9:29 AM on 06.20.04
->> Robert,

As a fellow spectacle-wearing photog, I too used to dread getting my lenses scratched. But after I started using Carl Zeiss lenses with the anti-scratch coating, I never looked back. None of my Nikons have the rubber left around the eyepiece (leaving that nice serrated edge around the ring) but despite that none of my glasses have been scratched. The lenses are a bit pricey (and take a few weeks to be made), but I can honestly say that they're the best I've ever looked through -- there really is a difference.
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Sean Gallagher, Student/Intern, Photographer
Peoria | IL | USA | Posted: 11:59 AM on 06.20.04
->> yeah. read "stupid photographer tricks" http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/584 crazy glue = bad. Many people have said it here, i'll say it in caps. GAFF TAPE FIXES EVERYTHING! (seriously, have you ever encountered a problem gaff tape didn't fix--don't lie. you havent.) Maybe i should make a book like those duct tape guys. okay, on second thought maybe i should go shoot some pictures instead.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 12:18 PM on 06.20.04
->> Wow! A Ron Taniwaking sighting!
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 12:23 PM on 06.20.04
->> Since we take a detour with this topic sort of ... here is some gaffer tape humor:

http://www.exposure.co.uk/eejit/gaffer/
http://www.bath.ac.uk/~su2bc/cgi/gaffer/start.pl

ALSO --- Those that responded to my classified ad on the missing person (Taniwaki): Apparently he's been found since he turned up here on this thread, so the reward offer of a Sports Shooter shirt is off.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 12:57 PM on 06.20.04
->> Also just found.....

One Canon Mark II eyepiece on the floor of my truck.
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Robert Deutsch, Photographer
NY | NY | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 06.20.04
->> which opens up another detour, suggesting a "Top 10" things one could expect to find on the floor of Gruber's truck:)

Prize for best entry is one of Hanashiro's Mark II's:)
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco Bay Area | CA | USA | Posted: 1:32 PM on 06.20.04
->> That reminds me, Bob. I found your false teeth and bifocals too.
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David Turnedge, Photographer
Elizabeth Bay | NSW | Australia | Posted: 1:56 AM on 06.23.04
->> Funny... never happened to me ever until I the day before I read this article... on my 1D...
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 2:20 AM on 06.23.04
->> bob,

top 10 things found on the bottom of jack's truck:

10. slightly used gas mask
9. the complete unabridged GQ magazine collection
8. Kenny Chesney cd cover
7. goat carcass
6. fan letters from college coeds he's hiding from Amy
5. two more eos1d mark ll eyepieces
4. endorsement check from Lightware (Digital Backpack division)
3. crumpled Sheraton Hotels "How Did We Do?" survey
2. pair of brand new Nike Air Buzkashi's
1. Grover
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer, Assistant
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 2:48 AM on 06.23.04
->> Rod: You have no idea how many of those you just got right.
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Jason Nix, Photographer, Student/Intern
Bowling Green | KY | United States | Posted: 4:57 AM on 06.23.04
->> The eyepiece was the first thing i lost on my EOS 3, and the first thing i lost on my 1D... i wear glasses, and it doesn't really bother me that much.

When it fell off my 1D it was in the parking lot of my old Dorm in Savannah. I found it a few days later - smashed, it obviously got ran over by a car - i used it for a few more months - and it fell off at an AU Football game last season - i think it was AU at Georgia.

-Nix
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David Butler II, Photographer
Somers | CT | USA | Posted: 12:03 AM on 10.01.04
->> I just lost my third eye piece... I hot glues the last one on my MrkII... didn't work.... I would really hate to have to tape it down... really irritating...

I will be in Philadelphia for a wedding this weekend... is anyone familiar with any camera shops in the area that might have some in stock...

Thanks,

dbii
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer
Kailua-Kona | HI | USA | Posted: 2:56 AM on 10.01.04
->> The first three things I did when I got my 1DMkII was:
1. Two small pieces of gaff tape over the eyepiece (two pieces so the diopter adjustment wouldn't have tape on it)
2. Clear laminate over the LCD screens for protection
3. Clear nail polish painted over the silk-screen icons on the camera body to prevent rub-off. I've had light meters and cameras that had the icons rubbed-off from use, the polish provides a protective coating.
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Andy Mead, Photographer, Photo Editor
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 11:51 AM on 10.01.04
->> I honestly can't remember what the eyepiece on my 1D was like. I think it was gone after only two or three games.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 12:24 PM on 10.01.04
->> Just placing gaffers tape over the top and down the sides of the eyepiece will work, but not all the time. A hot day will soften the glue and the eyepiece will still pop off. It's happened to me.

The solution is to cut a strip of gaffers tape about 7 inches long and a 1/4 wide. Press the middle part of the strip under the overhang of the camera body under the eyepiece, bring the tape up on each side on the eyepiece itself, and lap the ends over each other.

You now have the eyepiece strapped down to the body itself and the tape itself is keeping it from rising up, versus just the glue.

Be sure you have your diopter set correctly first as the tape will cover the dial -- and secure it from moving, too.
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Michael T Myers, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 10.01.04
->> >> Jack

I have lost a eyepiece on my 1D also. Take a silver Sharpie and just mark the position of your diopter on the camera with a line. I had to do that with one of my video cameras viewfinder. Than you can tell if it has moved
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Aaron Thompson, Photographer
Murfreesboro | TN | US | Posted: 2:28 PM on 10.01.04
->> You can also fold up a tiny piece of paper and stick it behind the clip. It works like a charm.
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